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RE: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet
From: Tony Patti <tony () swalter com>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 14:50:19 +0000
FYI, Bloomberg BusinessWeek published TODAY a 3,200-word article by Felix Gillette entitled "Section 230 Was Supposed to Make the Internet a Better Place. It Failed" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-08-07/section-230-was-supposed-to-make-the-internet-a-better-place-it-failed Tony Patti [SW_logo_HighRes]<http://www.swalter.com/> CIO t: (215) 867-8401 f: (215) 268-7184 e: tony () swalter com<mailto:tony () swalter com> w: www.swalter.com<http://www.swalter.com/> -----Original Message----- From: NANOG <nanog-bounces () nanog org> On Behalf Of Mel Beckman Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:36 PM To: John Levine <johnl () iecc com> Cc: nanog () nanog org Subject: Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet John, Please reread my comments. I did not say “carriers” and specifically excluded the FCC’s definition. I said “Common Carriers”, as defined by Common Law. The DMCA asserts that they must operate as CCs under this definition: in order to get protection under Safe Harbor they must function as a “passive conduit” of information. -mel via cell
On Aug 6, 2019, at 7:36 PM, John Levine <johnl () iecc com<mailto:johnl () iecc com>> wrote:
In article <6956E76B-E6B7-409F-A636-C7607BFD881C () beckman org<mailto:6956E76B-E6B7-409F-A636-C7607BFD881C () beckman org>> you write:
Mehmet,
I’m not sure if you understand the terms under which ISPs operate as “common carriers”, and thus enjoy immunity from lawsuits due to the acts of their customers.
ISPs in the U.S. are not carriers and never have been. Even the ISPs
that are subsidaries of telcos, which are common carriers for their
telco operations, are not common carriers for their ISPs.
This should not come as surprise to anyone who's spent 15 minutes
looking at the relevant law.
ISPs are probably protected by 47 USC 230(c)(1) but all of the case
law I know is related to web sites or hosting providers.
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- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet bzs (Aug 06)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Dan Hollis (Aug 06)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet bzs (Aug 06)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Mel Beckman (Aug 06)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet bzs (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Sabri Berisha (Aug 06)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet John Levine (Aug 06)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Mel Beckman (Aug 06)
- RE: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Tony Patti (Aug 07)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Rob McEwen (Aug 07)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet bzs (Aug 07)
- RE: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Keith Medcalf (Aug 07)
- RE: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet bzs (Aug 07)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet John Covici (Aug 08)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet bzs (Aug 07)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Eric Tykwinski (Aug 06)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet John Levine (Aug 06)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Mel Beckman (Aug 06)