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Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation
From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 01:25:33 +0200
RSA (https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/rsa.pdf) clearly state that the services are subject to the terms and conditions stated in the policy manual. There is explicit text in case of lack of payment. Not so clear what to do if there is a policy violation, but it looks like at a minimum, you will not get further services neither further resources. Bylaws (https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/bylaws/#bylaws-of-american-registry-for-internet-numbers-ltd) don’t explicitly talk about the obligations of members. This may be related to US law, that you don’t need to explicitly say that behavior against other members is forbidden. In some countries, it is evident that if a member of an association is not following the rules (policies) or is acting against the rights of other members, it can be expelled. As I said before, we may need another policy proposal to stated what to do. Why a different policy proposal? Because the same policy section must be related to other policy violations (may be with warnings in case of policy violations and resource recovery only in extreme cases or repetitive misbehavior – this is the case in RIPE), if that’s not clear already in the bylaws, US laws, or RSA. For me, it is obvious that an association MUST protect members about *any* misbehavior of other members. Regards, Jordi El 27/4/19 0:58, "NANOG en nombre de William Herrin" <nanog-bounces () nanog org en nombre de bill () herrin us> escribió: On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 2:36 PM Jon Lewis <jlewis () lewis org> wrote: Maybe I missed it in the proposal, but I don't see that it actually says what ARIN will do other than produce a report "Yep, our expert panel says this is hijacked.". What's the expected result (other than the report)? i.e. What action is ARIN expected to take after it's determined a route advertisement is a hijacking that will make a difference? Tough question! If the author's petition succeeds so he's not cut off at the knees by the Advisory Council's out-of-scope ruling, I'll look forward to hearing how he answers. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin ................ herrin () dirtside com bill () herrin us Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/> ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.
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- Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation, (continued)
- Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation Owen DeLong (Apr 26)
- Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation Hank Nussbacher (Apr 27)
- Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation (fwd) Jon Lewis (Apr 26)
- Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation (fwd) Matt Harris (Apr 26)
- Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG (Apr 26)
- Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG (Apr 26)
- Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation Jon Lewis (Apr 26)
- Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG (Apr 26)
- Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation Suresh Ramasubramanian (Apr 26)
- Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation (fwd) William Herrin (Apr 26)
- Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG (Apr 26)
- Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation (fwd) Owen DeLong (Apr 26)