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Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX
From: Mehmet Akcin <mehmet () akcin net>
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 08:19:43 -0600
Torix and Six are great examples. If you want to be for profit, make sure to publish port pricing and keep it fair. Transit is cheap and good quality On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 08:14 Clayton Zekelman <clayton () mnsi net> wrote:
TorIX is a great example of a not for profit IX that is very successful. https://www.torix.ca/ A very dedicated team of people provide an incredible level of service. Thave a very transparent process. Their pricing is listed up front on their website: https://www.torix.ca/peering/#pricing At 09:03 AM 21/12/2018, Mike Hammett wrote: As far as neutral, I meant separate from the datacenters in which they're housed. People in NA seem to think there are only two kinds of IXes, Equinix, DRT, Coresite types and NWAX, SIX, MICE types. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> ------------------------------ *From: *"Tim Raphael" <raphael.timothy () gmail com> *To: *"NANOG Mailing List" <nanog () nanog org> *Sent: *Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:39:42 PM *Subject: *Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX The other point to consider is that a NFP can justify more locations and offer services (such as extended reach) that don’t have the same profit margins or ROI as for-profits. This often leads to greater value to those with smaller networks and fewer customers allowing them to grow and expand without increased aggregation or transit costs. This in-turn leads to a richer array of providers and chips away at the monopolies in niche markets. The NFP IXP I work for focuses on providing value to the broader community and the Internet as a whole - especially somewhere like Australia which has unique constraints. Additionally, “Neutral†and For-Profit doesn’t always compute in my mind, there will always be commercial alliances that lead to not-total neutrality. When a NFP is owned by it’s members there has to be 100% transparency in organisational decisions around member funds and resources which ensures accountability reliability. - TimOn 21 Dec 2018, at 3:58 am, Brielle Bruns <bruns () 2mbit com> wrote: On 12/20/2018 12:51 PM, Aaron wrote:Probably price. Also perception of value. If you're a for profitenterprise then they're paying for interconnection plus your bump. If you're non-profit the perception is that there is a larger value because there's no bump. Whether that's true or not, who knows but that's the perception I've heard.Depending on the size of the non-profit, I'd almost compare it to howthe hospitals are here in Boise.The non-profits are oversized, monopolistic, price gouging, etc. Theircare can be pretty meh, esp since they bought up all the little independent clinics (yay, ER pricing for a basic family clinic visit).The for-profit smaller clinics and hospitals run a pretty tight ship,better value for their money, service is very good, and compete with one another for who has the best service.People think they are getting 'better' because they are going to a placethat is supposed to be run to benefit people over profit, but alas, you'd be very very wrong.-- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group http://www.sosdg.org / http://www.ahbl.org-- Clayton Zekelman Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi) 3363 Tecumseh Rd. E <https://maps.google.com/?q=3363+Tecumseh+Rd.+E+%0D%0AWindsor,+Ontario+%0D%0AN8W+1H4&entry=gmail&source=g> Windsor, Ontario <https://maps.google.com/?q=3363+Tecumseh+Rd.+E+%0D%0AWindsor,+Ontario+%0D%0AN8W+1H4&entry=gmail&source=g> N8W 1H4 <https://maps.google.com/?q=3363+Tecumseh+Rd.+E+%0D%0AWindsor,+Ontario+%0D%0AN8W+1H4&entry=gmail&source=g> tel. 519-985-8410 fax. 519-985-8409
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Current thread:
- Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX Mike Hammett (Dec 20)
- Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX Aaron (Dec 20)
- Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX Brielle Bruns (Dec 20)
- Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX Tim Raphael (Dec 20)
- Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX Mike Hammett (Dec 21)
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- Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX Clayton Zekelman (Dec 21)
- Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX Mehmet Akcin (Dec 21)
- Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX Mike Hammett (Dec 21)
- Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX Darin Steffl (Dec 21)
- Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX Mike Hammett (Dec 21)
- Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX Jay Hanke (Dec 21)
- RE: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX Robert DeVita (Dec 21)
- Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX Mike Hammett (Dec 21)
- Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX Brielle Bruns (Dec 20)
- Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX Aaron (Dec 20)
- Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX Jason Lixfeld (Dec 21)