Re: Cogent - Google - HE Fun

["Matthew D. Hardeman" <mhardeman () ipifony com>]

I would have concurred on this not so very long ago, but Cogent has made serious strides in improving this.

In particular, I think Cogent is fairly trustworthy to at least AT&T and Verizon at this point.

As for Charter, Comcast, Cox, and the like, I’ve come to believe that there’s really no substitute for direct 
interconnection to those guys if they’re part of the market you serve.

My clients are mostly ISPs and ITSPs and for the over-the-top ITSPs, if they’re serving clients whose broadband access 
is one of the major cable providers, I always encourage the client to establish a BGP session directly into that 
provider (whether purchasing enterprise transit from them, but just accepting customer routes and advertising with a 
no-export prefix or formal paid peering, etc.)

The impact that it has on service quality is measurable and it’s a significant impact in many cases.

> On Mar 14, 2016, at 9:58 AM, Matthew Huff <mhuff () ox com> wrote:
>
> One caveat about Cogent even as a third or extra provider.
>
> Because of disputes with eyeball networks, there is significant congestion at peering points with Cogent. We saw 
> consistent 5-10% packet loss over many months traversing Cogent through to Charger, Cox and Verizon as well as 
> others. For web access and even streaming video, with buffers, this might not be an issue. But for corporate use with 
> VOIP and/or VPNs, it was a killer. We had to cancel our Cogent service and work with our remaining providers to 
> de-preference Cogent completely.
>
>
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of William Herrin
> > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 10:47 AM
> > To: James Milko <jmilko () gmail com>
> > Cc: nanog () nanog org
> > Subject: Re: Cogent - Google - HE Fun
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 9:14 AM, James Milko <jmilko () gmail com> wrote:
> > > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 8:32 PM, William Herrin <bill () herrin us>
> > wrote:
> > > > At the very least, no one who is clueful about "The Internet" is
> > > > single-homed to Cogent with any protocol.
> > >
> > > s/single-homed/dual-homed/
> > >
> > > It's not like losing Google/HE because your other transit dropped is
> > > acceptable.
> >
> > Hi James,
> >
> > Cogent is effective at reducing cost as the third or subsequent provider
> > in one's mix.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bill Herrin
> >
> >
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> > William Herrin ................ herrin () dirtside com  bill () herrin us
> > Owner, Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>

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