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Re: Cogent - Google - HE Fun
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 08:14:43 -0800
On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:55 , William Herrin <bill () herrin us> wrote: On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Dennis Burgess <dmburgess () linktechs net> wrote:Not wishing to get into a pissing war with who is right or wrong, but it sounds like google already pays or has an agreement with cogent for v4, as that's unaffected, cogent says google is simply not advertising v6 prefixes to them, so, how is that cogent's fault?Hi Dennis, It's Cogent's fault because: double-billing. Google should not have to pay Cogent for a service which you have already paid Cogent to provide to you. Cogent's demand is unethical. They intentionally fail to deliver on the basic service expectation you pay them for and refuse to do so unless a third party to your contract also pays them. Google, by contrast, makes no demand that Cogent pay them even though you are not paying Google for service. They offer "open peering," a free interconnect via many neutral data centers.
In fairness, however, this is because he is not Google’s customer, he is Google’s product. Google is selling him (well, information about him anyway) to their customers. They gather this information by offering certain things he wants in exchange for him allowing them to collect and redistribute this data. Everything you say above is true, but let’s be clear where the customer vs. product relationships truly are. Owen
Current thread:
- Cogent - Google - HE Fun Dennis Burgess (Mar 09)
- AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun Jürgen Jaritsch (Mar 09)
- Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun Jon Lewis (Mar 09)
- RE: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun Dennis Burgess (Mar 10)
- RE: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun Jon Lewis (Mar 10)
- Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun Christopher Morrow (Mar 10)
- Re: Cogent - Google - HE Fun Owen DeLong (Mar 10)
- Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun William Herrin (Mar 10)
- Re: Cogent - Google - HE Fun Owen DeLong (Mar 10)
- Re: Cogent - Google - HE Fun Chris Adams (Mar 10)
- Re: Cogent - Google - HE Fun Owen DeLong (Mar 10)
- Re: Cogent - Google - HE Fun William Herrin (Mar 10)
- Re: Cogent - Google - HE Fun Owen DeLong (Mar 10)
- Re: Cogent - Google - HE Fun Stephen Frost (Mar 10)
- Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun Jon Lewis (Mar 09)
- AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun Jürgen Jaritsch (Mar 09)
- Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun Mike Hammett (Mar 10)
- Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun William Herrin (Mar 10)
- RE: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun Damien Burke (Mar 10)
- Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun Fredy Kuenzler (Mar 10)
- Re: Cogent - Google - HE Fun Matthew D. Hardeman (Mar 10)