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Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing?
From: Daniel Golding <dgolding () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 16:20:33 +0000
John, We've had this for years. https://www.nanog.org/governance/attendance If you notice similarities - they are intentional. If you notice differences - NANOG has always had a higher threshold for a frank exchange of views between participants. We have no desire to stifle that. Dan On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:18 AM Daniel Golding <dgolding () gmail com> wrote:
I'd suggest that this is not an operation discussion and should be moved to the NANOG Membership list. I don't see any violation of the presentation guidelines. Also, the day we decide to censor ourselves to avoid offending vendors is the end of my involvement in NANOG - and I suspect that is the case for many others. Matt is being coy, for some reason. He didn't like Dave Temkin's talk about IXP costs. I listened very carefully and did not hear any specific members or people targeted - only organizations and companies. NANOG is not and has never been a "safe space" for sponsors or organizations that exist in the network space. It never should be. If LINX or AMSIX or anyone else didn't like what was said, they should have rocked the mic (which they did!) and they should come to the next NANOG and present a counterpoint. Daniel Golding (speaking in my personal capacity) On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:10 AM Ca By <cb.list6 () gmail com> wrote:On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick () ianai net> wrote:On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:50 AM, Hugo Slabbert <hugo () slabnet com <javascript:;>> wrote:On Tue 2016-Jun-14 10:12:10 -0500, Matt Peterson <matt () peterson org<javascript:;>> wrote:This week at NANOG67, a presentation was given early on that did not reflect well for our community at large. Regardless of the content or accuracy of the data presented (not the intention of this thread),specificmembers of the community (some of which are sponsors) were clearlytargetedin a hurtful manner. The delivery of the content did not seem withinthespirit of NANOG, but instead a personal opinion piece. While nospecificrules of the speaking guidelines <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/presentation/guidelines> were likely broken, this does bring up a point of where the acceptable thresholdexists(if at all). To be abundantly clear - I have nothing against thecontentitself, the presenter, the PC's choice of allowing this talk, etc. -Ionlywish to clarify if our guidelines need modernization. As a community, how do we provide constructive criticism to industry suppliers (that may also be fellow competitors, members, and/orsuppliers)?For example, router vendors are routinely compared without specificnamesmentioned (say in the case of a unpublished vulnerability) - how is a service provider any different?I understand the discretion involved in your question, but could weclarify exactly what presentation is being discussed so those of us who were not present at NANOG67 can also participate in an informed way? I personally think the meta-question Matt asked is more important than opinions on a specific presentation. Plus I worry about devolving into a “that was a good preso” / “no it wasn’t!!” flamefest.Harassment policy is a good idea https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/ietf-anti-harassment-policy.html Walking on eggshells because sponsors don't appreciate the message and find posting pictures of their dance parties while discussing non-profit financials is ... Or is that a different subtweet? We are talking about dnssec? To that end, let a million flowers bloom. It was a good relevant talk. Regards, C&J --TTFN, patrick
Current thread:
- NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Matt Peterson (Jun 14)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Hugo Slabbert (Jun 14)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Patrick W. Gilmore (Jun 14)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Ca By (Jun 14)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? John Curran (Jun 14)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Daniel Golding (Jun 14)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Daniel Golding (Jun 14)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? John Curran (Jun 14)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Bryan Fields (Jun 14)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Owen DeLong (Jun 14)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Aled Morris (Jun 15)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Dave Temkin (Jun 15)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Nick Hilliard (Jun 15)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Dave Temkin (Jun 15)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Nick Hilliard (Jun 15)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Dave Temkin (Jun 15)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Nick Hilliard (Jun 16)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Patrick W. Gilmore (Jun 14)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Hugo Slabbert (Jun 14)