RE: Netflix banning HE tunnels

[Matthew Huff <mhuff () ox com>]

Your correct. I misread your email. Not enough blood in my caffeine stream yet. I think your idea of a button and/or a 
daily/weekly update to maxmind based on the source IPv4 address would be a good idea regardless of Netflix.

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From: Michael Still [mailto:stillwaxin () gmail com]
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 10:33 AM
To: Matthew Huff <mhuff () ox com>
Cc: John Lightfoot <jlightfoot () gmail com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels

Uhm I think you misunderstood me. What you describe matches what I described. I never suggested the user can override 
it with it another value, I am suggesting that a user may want to keep it to whatever default value it is as a matter 
of privacy concerns. Otherwise use the IPv4 tunnel end point IP.

As for the point about people moving around frequently I would consider that a pretty far reaching use case and most 
likely not worth considering any action for.


On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Matthew Huff <mhuff () ox com<mailto:mhuff () ox com>> wrote:
I think you are missing the point. The problem is not that the GeoIP info is missing, the problem with the HE.tunnel is 
that the GeoIP is not set by the provider by verifiable means. Letting end-users set their GeoIP information is a 
non-starter for the content provider and they would still require a ban.

A solution would be for HE to automatically set the IPv6 geoip based on the geoip of the IPv4 source address with no 
user overrides. Since the whole process would be fragile (people change their IPv4 source address frequently when 
travelling, etc...) and the delay it takes to put the GeoIP into maxmind's database, etc..., I don't know how well it 
would work, but it would probably be the best bet.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org<mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org>] On Behalf Of Michael Still
> Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 10:10 AM
> To: John Lightfoot <jlightfoot () gmail com<mailto:jlightfoot () gmail com>>
> Cc: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog () nanog org<mailto:nanog () nanog org>>
> Subject: Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels
>
> I wonder how hard it would be for HE to implement some button on their
> tunnel portal that when selected will update Maxmind's (or whatever)
> geolocation for their allocated IPv6 prefixes to match the results
> returned
> when querying for their IPv4 tunnel end point address...
>
> I would suggest to make it optional since some may not want to have
> this
> functionality by default but if you are dying for netflix and are in
> whatever geolocation netflix deems acceptable this may solve the issue.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 5:39 PM, John Lightfoot <jlightfoot () gmail com<mailto:jlightfoot () gmail com>>
> wrote:
>
> > How about:
> >
> > Dear Netflix network engineer who’s on the NANOG list.  Could you
> please
> > get Netflix to fall back to ipv4 if you block your customer’s ipv6
> because
> > it’s in an HE tunnel?  Lots of people who want to watch Netflix, be
> able to
> > reach the whole internet, and have Verizon FiOS would really
> appreciate it.
> > Thanks,
> > John
> >
> > John Lightoot
>
>
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