Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed

[John Peach <john-nanog () peachfamily net>]

The whois information on the HE IPv6 address, does give the location.
At least, it does on mine.


On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 11:03:16 -0400
Spencer Ryan <sryan () arbor net> wrote:

> As an addendum to this and what someone said earlier about the
> tunnels not being anonymous: From Netflix's perspective they are. Yes
> HE knows who controls which tunnel, but if Netflix went to HE and
> said "Tell me what user has xxxxx/48" HE would say "No". Thus, making
> them an effective anonymous VPN service from Netflix's perspective.
>
>
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> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Matthew Huff <mhuff () ox com> wrote:
>
> > Netflix IS acting in their user's best interest. In order to provide
> > content that the user's want, the content providers have mandated
> > that they do their due diligence to block out of region users
> > including VPN and open tunnel access. As Hulu and Amazon prime
> > become more popular and their contracts with the content provides
> > come due, they will have to also.
> >
> > You can argue about the content provides business model all you
> > want, but Netflix has to do what they are doing. They aren't
> > blocking IPv6 users, they are blocking users that are using VPNs
> > and/or tunnels since their currently is no practical way of
> > providing GEOIP information about that users that the content
> > providers require.
> >
> >
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of Scott
> > > Morizot Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 10:50 AM
> > > To: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka () seacom mu>
> > > Cc: NANOG list <nanog () nanog org>
> > > Subject: Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed
> > >
> > > I have Hulu Plus and Amazon Prime. The only thing I would miss
> > > from Netflix
> > > is their Marvel original series. And I can live with that. I
> > > can't live without my IPv6 enabled home network and Internet
> > > connection since that's
> > > an essential part of my job. (I'm the IPv6 transition technical
> > > lead for a
> > > large organization.) While I actually manage my home internet
> > > gateway through a linux server and have fine-grained control over
> > > the firewall rules, I'm still debating whether I care enough
> > > about a handful of series
> > > to continue paying a company that is deliberately acting against
> > > its users'
> > > interests. Right now I'm leaning toward no. But I'll discuss it
> > > with my wife before making a final decision.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka () seacom mu>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 6/Jun/16 01:45, Damian Menscher wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Who are these non-technical Netflix users who accidentally
> > > > > stumbled
> > > into
> > > > > having a HE tunnel broker connection without their
> > > > > knowledge?  I
> > > wasn't
> > > > > aware this sort of thing could happen without user consent,
> > > > > and
> > > would
> > > > like
> > > > > to know if I'm wrong.  Only thing I can imagine is if ISPs are
> > > using HE
> > > > as
> > > > > a form of CGN.
> > > >
> > > > There are several networks around the world that rely on 6-in-4
> > > because
> > > > their local provider does not offer IPv6.
> > > >
> > > > Mark.

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