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Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it
From: Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 07:16:43 -0600 (CST)
Motivated sales departments always get whatever they want. Always. If they aren't getting what they (or you as customer) want, they aren't motivated enough. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim deleskie" <deleskie () gmail com> To: "Matthew D. Hardeman" <mhardeman () ipifony com> Cc: nanog () nanog org Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 6:03:17 AM Subject: Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it Was part of my first peering spat, probably 95/96 since then many more, couple even big enough they made nanog/ industry news, end of day they are all the same. If you need to reach every where have more then one provider, it's good practice anyway, a single cust or even a bunch of cust are NOT going to influence peer decisions, so build your network so any 2 sides not playing not, will not impact you cust's, so at least they don't have reason to complain to you. -jim On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:42 PM, Matthew D. Hardeman <mhardeman () ipifony com
wrote:
An excellent point. Nobody would tolerate this in IPv4 land. Those disputes tended to end in days and weeks (sometimes months), but not years. That said, as IPv6 is finally gaining traction, I suspect we’ll be seeing less tolerance for this behavior.On Jan 21, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Matthew Kaufman <matthew () matthew at> wrote:On Jan 21, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Ca By <cb.list6 () gmail com> wrote: On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Brandon Butterworth <brandon () rd bbc co uk>wrote:On Jan 21, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Matthew D. Hardeman <mhardeman () ipifony com> wrote:Since Cogent is clearly the bad actor here (the burden being Cogent's to prove otherwise because HE is publicly on record assayingthat theyd love to peer with Cogent)I'd like to peer with all tier 1's, they are thus all bad as they won't. HE decided they want to be transit free for v6 and set out on a campaign of providing free tunnels/transit/peering to establish this. Cogent, for all their faults, are free to not accept the offer. Can the Cogent bashing stop now, save it for when they do something properly bad. brandonSelling a service that is considered internet but does not deliver full internet access is generally considered properly bad. I would not do business with either company, since neither of themprovidea full view. CBI note that if IPv6 was actually important, neither one could havegotten away with it for so long.Matthew Kaufman (Sent from my iPhone)
Current thread:
- Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it, (continued)
- Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it Randy Bush (Jan 21)
- Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it Brandon Butterworth (Jan 21)
- Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it Matthew D. Hardeman (Jan 21)
- Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it Ca By (Jan 21)
- Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it Matthew Kaufman (Jan 21)
- Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it Matthew D. Hardeman (Jan 21)
- Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it Christopher Morrow (Jan 21)
- Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it jim deleskie (Jan 22)
- Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it Mike Hammett (Jan 22)
- Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it Constantine A. Murenin (Jan 22)
- Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it Matthew D. Hardeman (Jan 22)
- Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it Tore Anderson (Jan 21)
- Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it Matthew D. Hardeman (Jan 22)
- Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it Tore Anderson (Jan 23)
- Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it Constantine A. Murenin (Jan 23)
- Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it Doug Barton (Jan 23)