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Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption
From: Mark Andrews <marka () isc org>
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 10:47:21 +1000
In message <CAB2RJyheVNOsVgC6Qzdk5c8QHzLhxBKmDd_rGbcGV3_0ky_qag () mail gmail com> , Todd Underwood writes:
one interesting thing to note... On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 8:01 PM Mark Andrews <marka () isc org> wrote:Some of us have been running IPv6 in production for over a decade now and developing products that support IPv6 even longer. We have had 17 years to build up a universal IPv6 network. It should have been done by now.yes. huh. funny about that, right? what do you think accounts for that? *why* do you think that *17* *years* later people are still just barely using this thing. i have a theory. i may have already mentioned that "dual stack and ipv4 will wither away by itself" turns out to have been a dumb idea that didn't happen. and there was no migration path other than that, really. so v6 and v4 don't interoperate as designed and that was an afterthought that didn't really happen until recently (and in a way that's still arguably more complex than NAT). and here we are. so here's my view: if you have some technical solution for a networking problem that no one wants for 17 years, you should really probably think about that. you might not even have to wait 17 years to figure out that something might be wrong. most good stuff is adopted without "evangelism".
Actually most good stuff requires evangelism. Lots of good stuff has disappeared into history because there wasn't the right amount of evangelism. Not all good stuff is showy. Some of it every requires governments to enact laws to make companies do the right thing. Very little stuff gets anywhere without evangelism.
tMark-- Matthew Newton, Ph.D. <mcn4 () le ac uk> Systems Specialist, Infrastructure Services, I.T. Services, University of Leicester, Leicester LE1 7RH, United Kingdom For IT help contact helpdesk extn. 2253, <ithelp () le ac uk>-- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka () isc org--001a113f3ca014ae99052114159c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>one interesting thing to note...<div><br><div class=3D= "gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 8:01 PM Mark Andrews = <<a href=3D"mailto:marka () isc org">marka () isc org</a>> wrote:<br></div>= <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>Some of us have been running IPv6 in pro= duction for over a decade<br> now and developing products that support IPv6 even longer.<br> <br> We have had 17 years to build up a universal IPv6 network.=C2=A0 It<br> should have been done by now.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>yes. =C2= =A0huh. =C2=A0funny about that, right? =C2=A0what do you think accounts for= that? =C2=A0*why* do you think that *17* *years* later people are still ju= st barely using this thing.</div><div><br></div><div>i have a theory. =C2= =A0i may have already mentioned that "dual stack and ipv4 will wither = away by itself" turns out to have been a dumb idea that didn't hap= pen. and there was no migration path other than that, really.</div><div><br=</div><div>so v6 and v4 don't interoperate as designed and that was an=afterthought that didn't really happen until recently (and in a way th= at's still arguably more complex than NAT). =C2=A0and here we are.</div=<div><br></div><div>so here's my view: =C2=A0if you have some technica=l solution for a networking problem that no one wants for 17 years, you sho= uld really probably think about that. =C2=A0you might not even have to wait= 17 years to figure out that something might be wrong.</div><div><br></div>= <div>most good stuff is adopted without "evangelism".=C2=A0</div>= <div><br></div><div>t</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote cl= ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p= adding-left:1ex"> Mark<br> <br> > --<br> > Matthew Newton, Ph.D. <<a href=3D"mailto:mcn4 () le ac uk" target=3D"_= blank">mcn4 () le ac uk</a>><br> ><br> > Systems Specialist, Infrastructure Services,<br> > I.T. Services, University of Leicester, Leicester LE1 7RH, United King= dom<br> ><br> > For IT help contact helpdesk extn. 2253, <<a href=3D"mailto:ithelp@= le.ac.uk" target=3D"_blank">ithelp () le ac uk</a>><br> --<br> Mark Andrews, ISC<br> 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia<br> PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0INTERNET: <a href=3D"mailto:marka () isc org" target=3D"_blank">mark= a () isc org</a><br> </blockquote></div></div></div> --001a113f3ca014ae99052114159c--
-- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka () isc org
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- Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption, (continued)
- Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption Todd Underwood (Oct 01)
- Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption Owen DeLong (Oct 02)
- Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption Todd Underwood (Oct 02)
- Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption Baldur Norddahl (Oct 02)
- Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption Ca By (Oct 02)
- Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption Randy Bush (Oct 02)
- Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption Owen DeLong (Oct 03)
- Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption Matthew Newton (Oct 02)
- Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption Mark Andrews (Oct 01)
- Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption Todd Underwood (Oct 01)
- Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption Mark Andrews (Oct 01)
- How to wish you hadn't forced ipv6 adoption (was "How to force rapid ipv6 adoption") Rob McEwen (Oct 01)
- Re: How to wish you hadn't forced ipv6 adoption (was "How to force rapid ipv6 adoption") Mark Andrews (Oct 01)
- Re: How to wish you hadn't forced ipv6 adoption (was "How to force rapid ipv6 adoption") Rob McEwen (Oct 01)
- Re: How to wish you hadn't forced ipv6 adoption (was "How to force rapid ipv6 adoption") Rob McEwen (Oct 01)
- Re: How to wish you hadn't forced ipv6 adoption (was "How to force rapid ipv6 adoption") Philip Dorr (Oct 01)
- Re: How to wish you hadn't forced ipv6 adoption (was "How to force rapid ipv6 adoption") Mike Hammett (Oct 02)
- Re: How to wish you hadn't forced ipv6 adoption (was "How to force rapid ipv6 adoption") Mel Beckman (Oct 02)
- Re: How to wish you hadn't forced ipv6 adoption (was "How to force rapid ipv6 adoption") Mike Hammett (Oct 02)
- Re: How to wish you hadn't forced ipv6 adoption (was "How to force rapid ipv6 adoption") Owen DeLong (Oct 03)
- Re: How to wish you hadn't forced ipv6 adoption (was "How to force rapid ipv6 adoption") Mike Hammett (Oct 03)