Re: Binge On! - And So This is Net Neutrality?

[joel jaeggli <joelja () bogus com>]

On 11/20/15 3:35 PM, Steve Mikulasik wrote:
> Requiring streaming companies not to use UDP is pretty absurd. Surely
> they must be able to identify streaming traffic without needing TCP.

One presumes that they've gotten rather good at looking at HLS or
MPEG-DASH and triggering rate adaption where necessary.


> Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From:
> Owen DeLong<mailto:owen () delong com> Sent: ‎11/‎20/‎2015 4:32 PM To:
> Steve Mikulasik<mailto:Steve.Mikulasik () civeo com> Cc: Ian
> Smith<mailto:I.Smith () F5 com>;
> nanog () nanog org<mailto:nanog () nanog org> Subject: Re: Binge On! - And
> So This is Net Neutrality?
>
> I think they actually might… It’s very hard to identify streams in
> UDP since UDP is stateless.
>
> Owen
>
> > On Nov 20, 2015, at 09:03 , Steve Mikulasik
> > <Steve.Mikulasik () civeo com> wrote:
> >
> > That is much better than I thought. Although, I don't think the
> > person who wrote this understands what UDP is.
> >
> > "Use of technology protocols that are demonstrated to prevent video
> > stream detection, such as User Datagram Protocol “UDP” on any
> > platform will exclude video streams from that content provider"
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Ian Smith [mailto:I.Smith () F5 com] 
> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 9:52 AM To: Steve Mikulasik
> > <Steve.Mikulasik () civeo com>; Shane Ronan <shane () ronan-online com>;
> > nanog () nanog org Subject: RE: Binge On! - And So This is Net
> > Neutrality?
> >
> > http://www.t-mobile.com/content/dam/tmo/en-g/pdf/BingeOn-Video-Technical-Criteria-November-2015.pdf
-----Original Message-----
> > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of Steve
> > Mikulasik Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:37 AM To: Shane Ronan
> > <shane () ronan-online com>; nanog () nanog org Subject: RE: Binge On! -
> > And So This is Net Neutrality?
> >
> > What are these technical requirements? I feel like these would
> > punish small upstarts well helping protect large incumbent services
> > from competition.
> >
> > Even if you don't demand payment, you can still hurt the fairness
> > of the internet this way.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: NANOG
> > [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of Shane Ronan Sent:
> > Friday, November 20, 2015 9:25 AM To: nanog () nanog org Subject: Re:
> > Binge On! - And So This is Net Neutrality?
> >
> > T-Mobile claims they are not accepting any payment from these
> > content providers for inclusion in Binge On.
> >
> > "Onstage today, Legere said any company can apply to join the Binge
> > On program. "Anyone who can meet our technical requirement, we’ll
> > include," he said. "This is not a net neutrality problem." Legere
> > pointed to the fact that Binge On doesn't charge providers for
> > inclusion and customers don't pay to access it." 
> > http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/10/9704482/t-mobile-uncarrier-binge-on-netflix-hbo-streaming
On 11/20/15 10:45 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> > > According to:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.engadget.com/2015/11/20/fcc-chairman-gives-t-mobiles-binge-
on-the-thumbs-up/
> > > Chairman Wheeler thinks that T-mob's new "customers can get
> > > uncapped media stream data, but only from the people we like"
> > > service called Binge On is pro-competition.
> > >
> > > My take on this is that the service is *precisely* what Net
> > > Neutrality was supposed to prevent -- carriers offering paid
> > > fast-lanes to content providers -- and that this is
> > > anti-competitive to the sort of "upstart YouTube" entities that
> > > NN was supposed to protect...
> > >
> > > and that *that* is the competition that NN was supposed to
> > > protect.
> > >
> > > And I just said the same thing two different ways.
> > >
> > > Cause does anyone here think that T-mob is giving those
> > > *carriers* pride of place *for free*?
> > >
> > > Corporations don't - in my experience - give away lots of money
> > > out of the goodness of their hearts.
> > >
> > > Cheers, -- jr 'whacky weekend' a

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