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Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses
From: "Roland Dobbins" <rdobbins () arbor net>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 06:36:25 +0700
On 14 Nov 2015, at 23:39, Royce Williams wrote:
Downloading is now much more common 2than during the age of the browser wars.
Sure, I understand that.
As of October 2014, 64% of American adults owned a smartphone [1]. Phonesdon't usually come with Candy Crush, but somehow, 93 *million* people played it daily at one point. They many not understand that when theyinstalled the app, they were "downloading" it. But the end result is thesame.
Yes, because that leads to them doing something they want to be able to do, that is very tangible. The same motivations spur VPN use (e.g., watching Netflix out-of-region, your example of the Olympics, and so forth).
To put that 93 million in context, the most recent estimates I can find of Internet users put their number at about 3.2 billion:
<http://time.com/money/3896219/internet-users-worldwide/>
It sounds like we're arguing about the definition of the word "most". Yourthesis appears to be that most people won't use a VPN -- and you're probably right.
Yes, we're in agreement.
But what everyone else is saying is that the value of "most" is likely to shrink rapidly.
I don't know about that. It seems to me that most people who're inclined to use a VPN are already using one. Unless one believes that a relatively high percentage of people who don't yet have Internet access will become VPN users once they gain Internet access.
But now, even if Facebook's estimate [2] of 450 million WhatsApp users is 90% inflated, there are 45 million people using encrypted texting, which I would not havepredicted.
Sure, and Apple iMessage is somewhat similar in that regard, though it's more susceptible to MITM.
Again, as compared to 3.2 billion.
Most of those users probably don't know what "encryption" is. But they'reusing it.
Sure, via http/s. But VPNs used in the sense of this discussion tend to imply topological masking, as well.
----------------------------------- Roland Dobbins <rdobbins () arbor net>
Current thread:
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses, (continued)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses Roland Dobbins (Nov 13)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses Owen DeLong (Nov 13)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses Roland Dobbins (Nov 13)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses Royce Williams (Nov 13)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses Roland Dobbins (Nov 14)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses Owen DeLong (Nov 14)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses Roland Dobbins (Nov 14)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses Owen DeLong (Nov 14)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses Roland Dobbins (Nov 14)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses Royce Williams (Nov 14)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses Roland Dobbins (Nov 14)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses Owen DeLong (Nov 14)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses Owen DeLong (Nov 14)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses John Levine (Nov 14)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses Roland Dobbins (Nov 14)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses Larry Sheldon (Nov 14)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses Larry Sheldon (Nov 14)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses Roland Dobbins (Nov 14)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses John Levine (Nov 14)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses Sven-Haegar Koch (Nov 14)
- Re: DNSSEC and ISPs faking DNS responses Jaap Akkerhuis (Nov 15)