Re: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

[<tqr2813d376cjozqap1l () tutanota com>]

Their "airMAX" line recently got UNII approval but not their UniFi line to my 
knowledge: 
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-Updates-Blog/airMAX-FCC-UNII-Updates-Lower-Band-Activation-Process/ba-p/1265946


20. Jun 2015 03:36 by faisal () snappytelecom net:


> FCC Cert claims different.
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
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> ----- Original Message -----
>
> > From: "Josh Luthman" <>> josh () imaginenetworksllc com>> >
> > To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <>> faisal () snappytelecom net>> >
> > Cc: "NANOG list" <>> nanog () nanog org>> >, "Ray Soucy" <>> rps () maine edu>> 
> > >
> > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 9:16:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network 
> > setup?
> > Uhm he's not wrong...
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> > On Jun 19, 2015 9:13 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < >> faisal () snappytelecom net>>  
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > The thing you need to watch out for with Ubiquiti is that they don't
> > > > > > support DFS, so the entire U-NII-2 channel space is off limits for 5
> > > > > > GHz.
> >
> > > Huh ????
> >
> > > Please verify your facts before making blanket statements which are not
> > > accurate ...
> >
> > > Faisal Imtiaz
> >
> > > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > > > From: "Ray Soucy" < >> rps () maine edu>>  >
> >
> > > > To: "Sina Owolabi" < >> notify.sina () gmail com>>  >
> >
> > > > Cc: " >> nanog () nanog org>>  list" < >> nanog () nanog org>>  >
> >
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:07:01 PM
> >
> > > > Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network
> > > > setup?
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > I know you don't want to hear this answer because of cost but I've had
> > > > good
> >
> > > > luck with Cisco for very high density (about 1,000 clients in a packed
> >
> > > > auditorium actively using the network as they follow along with the
> >
> > > > presenter).
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > The thing you need to watch out for with Ubiquiti is that they don't
> >
> > > > support DFS, so the entire U-NII-2 channel space is off limits for 5 
> > GHz.
> >
> > > > That's pretty significant because you're limited to 9 x 20 MHz 
> > channels
> > > > or
> >
> > > > 4 x 40 MHz channels. Keeping the power level down and creating small
> > > > cells
> >
> > > > is essential for high density, so with less channels your hands are
> > > > really
> >
> > > > tied in that case. Also, avoid the Zero Handoff marketing nonsense 
> > they
> >
> > > > advertise; I'm sure it can work great for a low client residential 
> > area
> > > > but
> >
> > > > it requires all APs to share a single channel and depends upon
> > > > coordinating
> >
> > > > only one active transmitter at a time, so it simply won't scale.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > I don't have experience with other vendors at large scale or high
> > > > density.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > I don't think what you're talking about is really high density anymore
> >
> > > > though. That's just normal coverage. Wireless is a lot more 
> > complicated
> >
> > > > than selecting a vendor, though. If you know what you're doing even
> >
> > > > Ubiquiti could work decently, but if you don't even a Cisco solution
> > > > won't
> >
> > > > save you. You really need to be on top of surveying correctly and 
> > having
> >
> > > > appropriate AP placement and channel distribution.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Sina Owolabi < >> 
> > notify.sina () gmail com>>  >
> > > > wrote:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > Hi
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > We are profiling equipment and design for an expected high user 
> > density
> >
> > > > > network of multiple, close nit, residential/hostel units. Its going 
> > to
> > > > > be
> >
> > > > > 8-10 buildings with possibly a over 1000 users at any given time.
> >
> > > > > We are looking at Ruckus and Ubiquiti as options to get over the 
> > high
> >
> > > > > number of devices we are definitely going to encounter.
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > How did you do it, and what would you advise for product and layout?
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > --
> >
> > > > Ray Patrick Soucy
> >
> > > > Network Engineer
> >
> > > > University of Maine System
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > T: 207-561-3526
> >
> > > > F: 207-561-3531
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network
> >
> > > > > > http://www.maineren.net
> >
> > > >