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Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality
From: Bruce H McIntosh <bhm () ufl edu>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:34:26 -0500
On 2015-02-27 12:13, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:
Consider a group of 10 users, who all create new content. If each one creates at a constant rate of 5 mbits, they need 5 up. But to download all the new content from the other 9, they need close to 50 down. And when you expand to several billion people creating new content, you need a *huge* pipe down.
Ok, I hadn't thought about it from that perspective. The scenario you laid out does make sense.
You'd be better off arguing from the basis of protocols and applications that need symmetric bandwidth (for instance, heavy use of Skype and similar, but with HD video - you'll need as big a pipe for your outbound video as you need for the inbound). Similar considerations will apply to at least some gaming models, bittorrent, and so on. You already noted the remote backup issue - keep focusing on that sort of thing.
Remote backup is the big bugaboo for me, having had 2 SSDs and a couple spinny platters eat themselves in the last year or so. It's a really irksome situation when I can, e.g. backup my entire work machine's /home partition to my home server in, say, X hours, but to back my home workstation's /home partition (a similar amount of cruft) up to the TSM server at work takes 10-15X hours, it makes backing up the home machine remotely (something the wife harps on incessantly after the crashes of last summer :) ) pretty impractical. And yes, I know what "incremental backups" are (TSM, remember? :) ) but jumpstarting that first full backup is a stumbling block to the whole scenario. *sigh*
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Current thread:
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality, (continued)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Owen DeLong (Feb 28)
- RE: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Keith Medcalf (Feb 28)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Owen DeLong (Feb 28)
- RE: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Keith Medcalf (Feb 28)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mike Hale (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Bruce H McIntosh (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mike Hammett (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality John Levine (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mark Tinka (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Bruce H McIntosh (Feb 27)
- RE: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Naslund, Steve (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Scott Helms (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Daniel Taylor (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Scott Helms (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Steve Clark (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Jack Bates (Feb 27)
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- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Jack Bates (Feb 27)
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