Re: gmail spam help

[Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists () gmail com>]

Which distro is it that has dnsbl filtering on by default, and also
defaulting to  shady no name blocklists?

I have yet to see a case where turning this sort of thing on first and
kicking self later wasn't because of a clueless sysadmin.
 On Feb 13, 2015 7:36 AM, "Daniel Taylor" <dtaylor () vocalabs com> wrote:

> Of course not, and I didn't mean to imply that they were.
>
> I was surprised to see it still present *anywhere* (this was in a major
> Linux distribution, and may still be), and that hidden presence may be
> polluting data streams used by even the most responsible vendors unless
> they are running entirely self-contained.
>
> On 02/12/2015 07:04 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>
> > Please. Gmail isn't ever likely to use long dead hobbyist block lists.
> >
> > On Feb 12, 2015 9:38 PM, "Daniel Taylor" <dtaylor () vocalabs com <mailto:
> > dtaylor () vocalabs com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Possibly related: http://www.ahbl.org/content/changes-ahbl
> >
> >     We had to manually remove it from spamassassin for our local
> >     installation, and I am pretty sure that a lot of sites still
> >     haven't figured it out so there's a lot of false positives being
> >     generated all over the place to throw off even filters that don't
> >     use it directly.
> >
> >     On 02/12/2015 09:54 AM, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
> >
> >         Mainly because I own it, and the people who use it. The server
> >         has been around 10+ years and has tight oversight. SPF is
> >         proper. This is a recent issue.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >         From: Scott Helms [mailto:khelms () zcorum com
> >         <mailto:khelms () zcorum com>]
> >         Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 10:51 AM
> >         To: Alex Rubenstein
> >         Cc: Josh Luthman; NANOG list
> >         Subject: Re: gmail spam help
> >
> >         I'd be interested to know how you can be so adamant about the
> >         lack of spam from this specific server.  A great percentage of
> >         the spam hitting servers I have visibility into comes from
> >         very similar kinds of set ups because they tend to have little
> >         or no over sight in place.
> >
> >         Also, lots of commercial email gets flagged as spam by users,
> >         even when they opted in for the email.  If enough people
> >         flagged email from this server as spam it will cause Google to
> >         consider other email from the same small server as likely to
> >         be spam as well.  Small systems, especially new ones, tend to
> >         unintentionally look like spam sources by not having proper
> >         reverse records, making sure you have SPF set up for the
> >         domain, etc.
> >
> >
> >         Scott Helms
> >         Vice President of Technology
> >         ZCorum
> >         (678) 507-5000
> >         --------------------------------
> >         http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
> >         --------------------------------
> >
> >         On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Alex Rubenstein
> >         <alex () corp nac net
> >         <mailto:alex () corp nac net><mailto:alex () corp nac net
> >         <mailto:alex () corp nac net>>> wrote:
> >         I should have been clearer.
> >
> >         I have been getting complaints from my sales folks that when
> >         they send emails to people who use gmail (either a gmail
> >         account or google apps) that they recipient is reporting that
> >         the email is ending up in the Spam folder. So, I tested this
> >         myself, sending an email from alex () corp nac net
> >         <mailto:alex () corp nac net><mailto:alex () corp nac net
> >         <mailto:alex () corp nac net>><mailto:alex () corp nac net
> >         <mailto:alex () corp nac net><mailto:alex () corp nac net
> >         <mailto:alex () corp nac net>>> to rubenstein45 () gmail com
> >         <mailto:rubenstein45 () gmail com><mailto:rubenstein45 () gmail com
> >         <mailto:rubenstein45 () gmail com>><mailto:rubenstein45 () gmail com
> >         <mailto:rubenstein45 () gmail com><mailto:rubenstein45 () gmail com
> >         <mailto:rubenstein45 () gmail com>>>
> >
> >         [cid:image001.png@01D046AD.3B2FA890]
> >
> >         This is curious to me, since @corp.nac.net
> >         <http://corp.nac.net><http://corp.nac.net> is a small exchange
> >         implementation with only about 50 users behind it, and there
> >         is no question that there is no spamming going on from here.
> >
> >         So, it’s not a question of adding a filter or not using gmail;
> >         it is not me who is using gmail in this problem.
> >
> >
> >
> >         From: Josh Luthman [mailto:josh () imaginenetworksllc com
> >         <mailto:josh () imaginenetworksllc com><mailto:josh@
> > imaginenetworksllc.com
> >         <mailto:josh () imaginenetworksllc com>>]
> >         Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 9:32 AM
> >         To: Alex Rubenstein
> >         Cc: NANOG list
> >         Subject: Re: gmail spam help
> >
> >
> >         Create a filter.
> >
> >         Josh Luthman
> >         Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340>
> >         Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343>
> >         1100 Wayne St
> >         Suite 1337
> >         Troy, OH 45373
> >         On Feb 12, 2015 8:11 AM, "Alex Rubenstein" <alex () corp nac net
> >         <mailto:alex () corp nac net><mailto:alex () corp nac net
> >         <mailto:alex () corp nac net>><mailto:alex () corp nac net
> >         <mailto:alex () corp nac net><mailto:alex () corp nac net
> >         <mailto:alex () corp nac net>>>> wrote:
> >         Is there anyone on-list that can help me with a world -> gmail
> >         email issue, where email is being considering spam by gmail
> >         erroneously?
> >
> >         Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> >     --     Daniel Taylor          VP Operations            Vocal
> >     Laboratories, Inc.
> >     dtaylor () vocalabs com <mailto:dtaylor () vocalabs com>
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