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Re: IPv4 shutdown in mobile
From: Lee Howard <Lee () asgard org>
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 13:53:25 -0500
On 12/22/15, 1:13 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Owen DeLong" <nanog-bounces () nanog org on behalf of owen () delong com> wrote:
Yet until Apple gets to that IPv6-only stage, you¹re refusing to support IPv6 for those of us that need it today even while we still need IPv4, too. Owen
Owen, you¹re out of line. Lee
On Dec 22, 2015, at 10:08 , Ca By <cb.list6 () gmail com> wrote: On Tuesday, December 22, 2015, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com <mailto:owen () delong com>> wrote: Does this mean you are negligent for not supporting IPv6 on my phone on your network? My phone is perfectly capable of IPv6, yet because it doesn¹t support your particular religion about IPv4 translation, you refuse to support IPv6 on it. When is T-Mobile going to fix their IPv6 implementation and stop ignoring the #1 market leading phone manufacturer? Owen Apple has an ipv6-only plan in the link above. They have committed to remove the ipv4 dependent apps from the app store. Once the ipv4-only apps are bannished, i dont see any roadblocks for ipv6 on iPhone. While you say there is a religious war, i am saying Apple outlined a plan for ipv6-only and T-Mobile is likely to follow that plan from Apple. CBOn Dec 22, 2015, at 04:45 , Ca By <cb.list6 () gmail com <javascript:;>>wrote:TL;DR version: the data shows you are negligent if your eyeballcontent(cdn, cloud, ...) does not support native ipv6. With the NAT and IPv4 leasing threads lingering on, i figured it wastimefor an update on how the other half live More than 1/3 of North America mobile traffic to the top websites isend toend ipv6http://www.worldipv6launch.org/2015-wrapup-more-than-13-us-mobile-traffic -is-ipv6-and-still-growing/ <http://www.worldipv6launch.org/2015-wrapup-more-than-13-us-mobile-traffi c-is-ipv6-and-still-growing/>The trend is clearly growing, and as AT&T and Sprint catch up withT-Mobileand Verizon, the acceleration to 50% should be easily achieved. Furthermore, only one mobile carrier has iPhone dual-stacked today(afaik),but Apple has a plan for banning ipv4-only apps and has delivered the required features for having ipv6-only iphones in 2016 with these iOS9.2featureshttps://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/NetworkingInternetW eb/Conceptual/NetworkingOverview/UnderstandingandPreparingfortheIPv6Trans ition/UnderstandingandPreparingfortheIPv6Transition.html <https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/NetworkingInternet Web/Conceptual/NetworkingOverview/UnderstandingandPreparingfortheIPv6Tran sition/UnderstandingandPreparingfortheIPv6Transition.html>On some mobile providers, ipv6 is already dominant and ipv4 iswaning. OnceiPhones updates to ipv6-only as described above, ipv4 will only be acornercase of operations. This comes with added benefit that ipv6 isfaster :https://code.facebook.com/posts/1192894270727351/ipv6-it-s-time-to-get-on -board/ <https://code.facebook.com/posts/1192894270727351/ipv6-it-s-time-to-get-o n-board/>At least in mobile, the change to ipv6 has been quick and the pace is increasing -- not just on ipv6 deployment but also on ipv4 shutdown.I knowmany people liken ipv6 to "the boy who cried wolf", so be it, the data shows the ipv6 wolf is here. Or perhapsin hind sight, we willseethe right metaphor was "the tortoise and the hare" or "the littleenginethat could"... Or even better IPv4 is John Henry. It was the best initstime, but times have changed. CB
Current thread:
- IPv4 shutdown in mobile Ca By (Dec 22)
- Re: IPv4 shutdown in mobile Owen DeLong (Dec 22)
- Re: IPv4 shutdown in mobile Ca By (Dec 22)
- Re: IPv4 shutdown in mobile Owen DeLong (Dec 22)
- Re: IPv4 shutdown in mobile Lee Howard (Dec 22)
- Re: IPv4 shutdown in mobile Andrew Kirch (Dec 22)
- Re: IPv4 shutdown in mobile Ca By (Dec 22)
- Re: IPv4 shutdown in mobile Owen DeLong (Dec 22)
- Re: IPv4 shutdown in mobile Mark Tinka (Dec 24)
- Re: IPv4 shutdown in mobile Mikael Abrahamsson (Dec 24)
- Re: IPv4 shutdown in mobile Mark Tinka (Dec 25)
- Re: IPv4 shutdown in mobile Mikael Abrahamsson (Dec 26)
- Re: IPv4 shutdown in mobile Mark Tinka (Dec 26)
- Re: IPv4 shutdown in mobile Mikael Abrahamsson (Dec 26)
- Re: IPv4 shutdown in mobile Mikael Abrahamsson (Dec 24)
- Re: IPv4 shutdown in mobile Bjørn Mork (Dec 27)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: IPv4 shutdown in mobile Scott Weeks (Dec 27)