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Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch
From: Jay Ashworth <jra () baylink com>
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:34:12 -0400 (EDT)
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From: "Jeffrey Ollie" <jeff () ocjtech us>
If that doesn't suffice, then I suspect it will only require waiting a little while until a demonstration of why monolithic integration is a bad idea will be provided by someone who is at this moment studying the large-and-growing attack surface presented by systemd. I hope I'm wrong about that. I'm probably not.Software is software. I'm sure that bugs (including security bugs) will be found. Film at 11. Nothing new here.
Nope, Jeff; you've entirely missed it: On a non-systemd distribution, the odds are good that a) that bug is in code not running as root nor b) in PID1 where if it locks up it takes the whole box with it, and also c) I can just put my thumb down on that one piece and turn it off; that's almost certainly and almost always not true in systemd. That's what's new here. As I noted in another posting, that Unix Philosophy happened for a reason. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra () baylink com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
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- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch, (continued)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Miles Fidelman (Oct 27)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Simon Lyall (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Stephen Satchell (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Simon Lyall (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Doug Barton (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jeffrey Ollie (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Matt Palmer (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Robert Kisteleki (Oct 23)
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- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Larry Sheldon (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jay Ashworth (Oct 24)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Stephen Satchell (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Israel G. Lugo (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Miles Fidelman (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Mike. (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jim Popovitch (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Matt Palmer (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Miles Fidelman (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Matt Palmer (Oct 23)