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Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch
From: Matt Palmer <mpalmer () hezmatt org>
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 18:15:06 +1100
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:05:30PM -0500, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
To achieve the level of integration that timedated has with the rest of systemd would require more than just putting code into timedatectl to write out /etc/ntpd.conf and starting a service. timedated talks to networkd (that DHCP server that everyone is hating on as well) in real-time to determine the state of the network and to get any NTP servers that were sent in DHCP packets. To do that for chronyd or ntpd in the same way would require code changes and the systemd developers didn't want to do the work,
This is the core problem with systemd, in my mind -- and what has gotten Linus, amongst other people, so thoroughly cheesed off with the systemd devs. They don't play well with other children. They don't appear particularly interested in reusing any existing code, because it's a lot more fun to write new code. I'm a strong proponent of Joel Spolsky's views on rewrites (sorry, no URL, I'm on the train) and I don't doubt that all the same problems will come to haunt systemd on its way from being the new kid on the block to being legacy code[1]. - Matt [1] A computer industry term which means, "it works".
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- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch, (continued)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jay Ashworth (Oct 24)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Chris Adams (Oct 24)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jay Ashworth (Oct 27)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Miles Fidelman (Oct 27)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Simon Lyall (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Stephen Satchell (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Simon Lyall (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Doug Barton (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jeffrey Ollie (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Matt Palmer (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Robert Kisteleki (Oct 23)
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- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Larry Sheldon (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jay Ashworth (Oct 24)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Stephen Satchell (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Israel G. Lugo (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Miles Fidelman (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Mike. (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jim Popovitch (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Matt Palmer (Oct 23)