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Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3)
From: Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 16:27:15 -0400
Michael, I didn't claim Webrtc is vapor, I claim that pervasive video calling is vapor. Further, even if that prediction is wrong pervasive video calling isn't enough even if 100% of users adopt it to swing the need for symmetrical bandwidth. An average Skype/Google Hangout/Apple is less than 400 kbps at peak and averages something like 150 kbps. http://www.digitalsociety.org/2010/08/iphone-facetime-bandwidth-gets-measured/ Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 -------------------------------- http://twitter.com/kscotthelms -------------------------------- On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com> wrote:
Scott Helms wrote:I think you will, all of those things have been around for a long time (well, except for pervasive video calls, which I think is vapor) and none generate the kind of traffic it takes to congest a decent link. Most of the DOCSIS systems I've worked with are running at least 6 mbps upstreams and many are well into the double digits. My current connection (tested this morning) is about 22 mbps.Um, no it's not vapor. Webrtc is quite real, and the barrier to implementation for any random web site is weeks, not years as was the case before. I just saw this that you wrote:1) Very few consumers are walking around with a HD or 4K cameratoday. In the US, we just surpassed 1/2 of the population who have that capability, iirc. They call them phones nowadays. MikeScott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 -------------------------------- http://twitter.com/kscotthelms -------------------------------- On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com <mailto: mike () mtcc com>> wrote: Scott Helms wrote: Mike, In my experience you're not alone, just in a really tiny group. As I said I have direct eyeballs on ~500k devices and the ability to see another 10 million anytime I want and the percentage of people who cap their upstream in both of those sample groups for more than 15 minutes (over the last 3 years) is about 0.2%. Interestingly if a customer does it once they have about a 70% chance of doing it regularly. Well, given Sling, Dropbox, iCloud, pervasive video calls (you have heard about webrtc, yes? 24/7 babycams!), youtube, etc, etc, I won't be a "tiny group" for long. Mike
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