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Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP
From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists () gmail com>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 15:33:11 -0400
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Blake Hudson <blake () ispn net> wrote:
Christopher Morrow wrote the following on 5/16/2014 1:52 PM:On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Blake Hudson <blake () ispn net> wrote:in the context of this discussion I think it's silly for a residential ISP to purport themselves to be a neutral carrier of traffic and expect peering ratios to be symmetricis 'symmetric traffic ratios' even relevant though? Peering is about offsetting costs, right? it might not be important that the ratio be 1:1 or 2:1... or even 10:1, if it's going to cost you 20x to get the traffic over longer/transit/etc paths... or if you have to build into some horrific location(s) to access the content in question. Harping on symmetric ratios seems very 1990... and not particularly germaine to the conversation at hand.I agree about the term being passe ...and that it never applied to ISPs ...and that peering is about cost reduction, reliability, and performance.
ok.
It seems to me that many CDNs or content providers want to setup peering relationships and are willing to do so at a cost to them in order to bypass "the internet middle men". But I mention traffic ratios because some folks
'the internet middle men' - is really, it seems to me, 'people I have no business relationship with'. There's also no way to control the capacity planning process with these middle-men, right? Some AS in the middle of my 3-AS-way conversation isn't someone I can capacity plan with :( -chris
in this discussion seem to be using it as justification for not peering. But hey, why peer at little or no cost if they can instead hold out and possibly peer at a negative cost? --Blake
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