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Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality


From: "McElearney, Kevin" <Kevin_McElearney () cable comcast com>
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 18:22:34 +0000

I said I would step away, but trying to keep some level of emotion out of this...  We all need "rational actor" 
behavior in the ecosystem. We need our policies and agree to live up to those policies between players. Random and 
inconsistent behavior does not build a well functioning market and is the root of most disputes

We can argue about what the policy should be, the impacts, etc and that is a fair discussion.

      - Kevin

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On May 15, 2014, at 2:11 PM, "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood () cable comcast com<mailto:Jason_Livingood () cable 
comcast com>> wrote:

So by extension, if you enter an agreement and promise to remain balanced you can just willfully throw that out and 
abuse the heck out of it? Where does it end? Why even bother having peering policies at all then?

To use an analogy, if you and I agree to buy a car together and agree to switch off who uses it every other day, can I 
just say "forget our agreement – I’m just going to drive the car myself every single day – its all mine”?

And as you say, “interestingly enough only Comcast and Verizon are having this problem” someone else might say 
“interestingly enough one content distributor is at the center of all of these issues.” I’m frankly surprised that no 
one is stepping back to try to understand what was and is driving those changes.

Jason

On 5/15/14, 1:43 PM, "Nick B" <nick () pelagiris org<mailto:nick () pelagiris org>> wrote:

Yes, throttling an entire ISP by refusing to upgrade peering is clearly a way to avoid technically throttling.  
Interestingly enough only Comcast and Verizon are having this problem, though I'm sure now that you have set an example 
others will follow.
Nick


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