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Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.)
From: Chris Knipe <savage () savage za org>
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 16:22:04 +0200
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Bryan Socha <bryan () digitalocean com> wrote:
Oh btw, how many ipv4s are you hording with zero justification to keep them? I was unpopular during apricot for not liking the idea of no liability leasing of v4. I don't like this artificial v4 situation every eyeball network created. Why is v4 a commodity and asset? Where is the audits. I can justify my 6 /14s, can you still?
Oh I so agree with this one. But alas yes, IPv4's days are counted and I doubt there's any turning back. As a NA myself, I see day on day where smaller ISPs are forced to dish out large network blocks (/16s) to be able to have access to large unefficiently planned broadband networks in order to service PPPoE terminations (at least, here in ZA). These ISPs are forced to 'hand out' /16 networks for the large telco's to distribute to their respective BRAS devices.... Meanwhile, the ISP does not even have 20K customers - nevermind the fact that more than likely 50% of that customer base is not even 'always' connected... It's due to waisting like this, that the shortage is there and that other players with legitimate requirements (such as going provider independant) cannot obtain address space. And it is continueing to this very day. I'm definately all for proper audits, stricter audits, and more importantly the releasing of unused address space back to the respective registries. -- Regards, Chris Knipe
Current thread:
- Re: misunderstanding scale, (continued)
- Re: misunderstanding scale Tim Franklin (Mar 24)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Owen DeLong (Mar 24)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Bob Evans (Mar 24)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) TJ (Mar 25)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Lee Howard (Mar 25)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Bob Evans (Mar 25)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Owen DeLong (Mar 25)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Valdis . Kletnieks (Mar 25)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Cb B (Mar 22)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Chris Knipe (Mar 22)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Justin M. Streiner (Mar 22)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) William Herrin (Mar 22)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Justin M. Streiner (Mar 22)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Mark Tinka (Mar 22)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) John Levine (Mar 22)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Mark Tinka (Mar 22)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) John Levine (Mar 22)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Mark Tinka (Mar 23)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Tore Anderson (Mar 23)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Mark Andrews (Mar 23)