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Re: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica
From: Larry Sheldon <LarrySheldon () cox net>
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 20:54:27 -0500
On 3/21/2014 9:13 AM, Sholes, Joshua wrote:> How do you get around the problem of natural monopolies, then?
My strongly held belief is that if the "natural" monopoly* becomes oppressive somebody in their garage will find another way, and absent regulation and force of arms available to the "natural" monopoly, eliminate the monopoly situation and maybe the "natural" monopolist.
Or should> we be moving to a world where, say, a dozen or more separate companies are > all running fiber or coax on the poles on my street in an effort to get to
> my house?Could be--we have two energy companies at our house. And two communications companies have boxes on the back wall. Beyond the piped-in water service, we have several competing beverage sources (including for water) in service. The house across the street has, it appears, at least three companies providing TV service (and Internet service?). Three outfits provide waste disposal service in the neighborhood, although I am not bright enough to see a competitor for the sewage component. I wasn't bright enough to see the World Wide Web, either.
Nobody uses poles.> IMHO, the only way to get real competition on the last mile is to have the
> actual fiber/wire infrastructure being owned by a neutral party that's > required to pass anyone's traffic.As soon as "required" is in the discussion, we have a monopoly, and a monopoly has the power to abuse the situation.
Wire and glass are not the only media available, as if that mattered. And we already have duplicates; what is the big deal?
OH! And the reason why one set of wires is idle, is that provider got beat by the completion on the other set. (For this discussion, coaxial cable is a "set of wires".)
*too old, failing memory and all, I'll have to go read up on "natural monopoly"--I can not think of one that does not require regulation and force of arms to exist.
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- Re: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica Gary Buhrmaster (Mar 24)
- Re: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica Jay Ashworth (Mar 25)
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- Re: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica Wayne E Bouchard (Mar 21)
- Re: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica Larry Sheldon (Mar 21)
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