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Re: How to catch a cracker in the US?
From: shawn wilson <ag4ve.us () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 22:10:06 -0400
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Sholes, Joshua <Joshua_Sholes () cable comcast com> wrote:
On 3/13/14, 7:35 PM, "Larry Sheldon" <LarrySheldon () cox net> wrote:Not sure I can agree with that. I have been in this game for a very long time, but for most of it in places where the world's population cleaved neatly into two parts: "Authorized Users" who could be identified by the facts that they had ID cards, Badges, and knew the door code; and "trespassers" who were all others. Then you new kids came along and (pointlessly, in my opinion) divided the later group into the two described above.See, the way *I* learned it was that part of the creed of the "hacker" involved "why would I want to play with your systems, mine are much cooler."; that is, by definition a "hacker" is in the first group.
The point is that 'computer security' involves innovation as much as is done at hacker spaces (which can be geared to hardware or computer security or whatever). I think the difference you're trying to argue is the legality and not the task or process. I think calling the illegal form of the study of computer security "cracking", the legal form "hacking" and people who are "cracking" who don't know what they're doing "script kiddies" is irrelevant, useless, and causes useless debates (that I started) like this.
Current thread:
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US?, (continued)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Chris Boyd (Mar 13)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? James R Cutler (Mar 13)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Barry Shein (Mar 13)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Sholes, Joshua (Mar 13)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Jay Hennigan (Mar 16)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Doug Barton (Mar 16)
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- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Larry Sheldon (Mar 13)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? shawn wilson (Mar 13)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Tei (Mar 14)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Sholes, Joshua (Mar 17)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? shawn wilson (Mar 17)
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- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Larry Sheldon (Mar 17)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Tei (Mar 12)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Mark Seiden (Mar 12)