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Re: How to catch a cracker in the US?
From: Larry Sheldon <LarrySheldon () cox net>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 18:35:00 -0500
On 3/13/2014 8:22 AM, Sholes, Joshua wrote:
On 3/13/14, 12:35 AM, "shawn wilson" <ag4ve.us () gmail com> wrote:A note on terminology - whether you know what you're doing, actually break into a system, or obtain a thumb drive with data that you weren't supposed to have - it has the same end so I'd refer to it by the same term - hacking. Trying to differentiate terms based on skill, target, or data type is kinda dumb.If one came up in this field with a mentor who was old school, or if one is old school oneself, one tends use the original (as I understand it) definitions--a "cracker" breaks security or obtains data unlawfully, a "hacker" is someone who likes ethically playing (in the "joyful exploration" sense) with complicated systems. People who are culturally younger tend use "hacker", as you are doing, for the former and as far as I can tell no specific term for the latter. If you ask me, this is something of a cultural loss.
Not sure I can agree with that. I have been in this game for a very long time, but for most of it in places where the world's population cleaved neatly into two parts: "Authorized Users" who could be identified by the facts that they had ID cards, Badges, and knew the door code; and "trespassers" who were all others.
Then you new kids came along and (pointlessly, in my opinion) divided the later group into the two described above.
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- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US?, (continued)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? James R Cutler (Mar 13)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? William Herrin (Mar 13)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? James Downs (Mar 13)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Paul Ferguson (Mar 13)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Chris Boyd (Mar 13)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? James R Cutler (Mar 13)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Barry Shein (Mar 13)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Sholes, Joshua (Mar 13)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Jay Hennigan (Mar 16)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Doug Barton (Mar 16)
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- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Larry Sheldon (Mar 13)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? shawn wilson (Mar 13)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Tei (Mar 14)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Sholes, Joshua (Mar 17)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? shawn wilson (Mar 17)
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- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Larry Sheldon (Mar 17)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Tei (Mar 12)
- Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? Mark Seiden (Mar 12)