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Re: Carrier Grade NAT
From: Chris Boyd <cboyd () gizmopartners com>
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:08:43 -0500
On Jul 29, 2014, at 11:54 AM, <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 11:42:31 -0500, Chris Boyd said:There's probably going to be some interesting legal fallout from that practice. As an ISP customer, I'd be furious to find out that my communications had been intercepted due to the bad behavior of another user.See the various lawsuits against the NSA - the vast majority have been summarily dismissed because the plaintiffs couldn't produce evidence their communications had in fact been intercepted, and thus they didn't have standing to sue.
True, but there is a difference in this case, since I could probably find a way to do discovery of the warrant/subpoena that was delivered to the ISP--assuming it's not an NSL. I would assume that going into court with evidence of the warrant/subpoena would be sufficient to grant standing. Or the notice of intercepted communications that I've seen a few times would work too. In $DAYJOB, we're all colo/cloud, so the stuff we get specifies a specific date. Have not come across any that specify a few seconds of time as another poster noted. In any case IANAL, so who knows until the cases start showing up on the dockets..... --Chris
Current thread:
- Carrier Grade NAT Colton Conor (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT Daniel Corbe (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT Colton Conor (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT Daniel Corbe (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT Colton Conor (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT Mikael Abrahamsson (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT Chris Boyd (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT Valdis . Kletnieks (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT Matt Palmer (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT Chris Boyd (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT Owen DeLong (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT Valdis . Kletnieks (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT Owen DeLong (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT Chris Boyd (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT Livingood, Jason (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT John Levine (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT William Herrin (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT Owen DeLong (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT Daniel Corbe (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT Robert Drake (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT Owen DeLong (Jul 29)
- Re: Carrier Grade NAT Simon Perreault (Jul 29)