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Re: Muni Fiber and Politics
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 14:15:50 -0700
True, but if your end-to-end loop tester sees a good path, you can be pretty sure that the pair is clean end-to-end. Owen On Jul 22, 2014, at 14:07 , Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com> wrote:
My experience is completely opposite though admittedly this may be because of the specific projects and cities I've worked with. In all the cases I've been involved with giving the ISPs layer 2 responsibility led to a never ending stream of finger pointing. I'd also say that just because your TDR doesn't see a reflection does not mean you have a clean path. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 -------------------------------- http://twitter.com/kscotthelms -------------------------------- On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike () swm pp se> wrote:On Tue, 22 Jul 2014, Ray Soucy wrote: The equipment is what makes the speed and quality of service. If youhave shared infrastructure for L2 then what exactly differentiates a service? More to the point; if that equipment gets oversubscribed or gets neglected who is responsible for it? I don't think the municipality or public utility is a good fit.I can also tell from experience in this area, that having the muni active network in between you as a customer, and the ISP, makes for no fun fault finding. The ISP is blind to what's going on, and you have a commercial relationship with the ISP. Their subcontractor, ie the L2 network, needs to assist in qualified fault management, and they usually don't have the skill and resources needed. Running an L1 network is easier because most of the time the only thing you need to understand is if the light is arriving and how much of it, and you can easily check this with a fiber light meter. Running L2 network, perhaps even with some L3 functions to make multicast etc more efficient, is not as easy to do as it might sound considering all factors. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike () swm pp se
Current thread:
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics, (continued)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Jul 22)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Mikael Abrahamsson (Jul 22)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Owen DeLong (Jul 22)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Owen DeLong (Jul 22)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Scott Helms (Jul 22)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Ray Soucy (Jul 22)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Owen DeLong (Jul 22)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Ray Soucy (Jul 22)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Mikael Abrahamsson (Jul 22)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Scott Helms (Jul 22)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Owen DeLong (Jul 22)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics William Herrin (Jul 22)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Owen DeLong (Jul 22)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Scott Helms (Jul 22)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Ray Soucy (Jul 22)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Keenan Tims (Jul 22)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Jul 22)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Doug Barton (Jul 22)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Jul 23)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Mikael Abrahamsson (Jul 23)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics William Herrin (Jul 23)