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Re: Net Neutrality...


From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman () meetinghouse net>
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 09:44:21 -0400

ETCs aside for a moment, the NTIA used to give out an awful lot of money for rural electrification, then for telecom - a lot of it going to small players, coops, and municipalities. A Probably still does - though I haven't followed the program in recent years. Yes, writing and selling a grant proposal can be tedious, but then again, so is a venture capital proposal, or dealing with banks. Or, for that matter, selling to large customers public or private.

Miles Fidelman

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Bob Evans <bob () fiberinternetcenter com> wrote:
I think your point needs to be explained. Because anything gnment is
riddled will large carrier benefiting. Look at the school discounts for
internet services...pretty much just for LECs.
Thank You
Bob Evans
CTO




I have stayed out of much of this, but can't help myself.   Along with
everything else, you are seriously misinformed about the process of
becoming an ETC.   It is not onerous.   Please stop.   You are giving
rural
ISPs a bad reputation.


On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Brett Glass <nanog () brettglass com>
wrote:
At 05:06 PM 7/15/2014, Rubens Kuhl wrote:

  Do you see Connect America Fund, the successor to Universal Service
Fund,
as a threat to US rural WISPs or as the possible solution for them ?

It's a major threat to rural WISPs and all competitive ISPs. Here's why.
The FCC is demanding that ISPs become "Eligible Telecommunications
Carriers," or ETCs, before they can receive money from it. An ETC is a
telephone company which is regulated under the mountain of regulations,
requirements, and red tape of Title II of the Telecomm Act. It has to
report to both state regulatory agencies AND the FCC. It's a
classification
that doesn't fit ISPs at all, but they would have to subject themselves
to
this heavy-handed regulation before they could get a dime from the fund.

The FCC just announced a "rural broadband experiment" in which it will
fund ETCs, but not pure-play ISPs, to build out rural broadband; see

http://www.fcc.gov/document/rural-broadband-experiments-order

As part of this experiment, the FCC will pay telephone companies to
overbuild us, even though the residents of the areas in question already
have service. This is because, as far as the regulators are concerned,
if
they do not have their regulatory hooks in us, we don't exist and any
service we provide does not count. The "experiment" also requires
participants to tie up large amounts of money in escrow accounts so that
they can obtain "letters of credit" guaranteeing performance.

All of this is, alas, the regulators' way of attempting to destroy those
whom they cannot regulate.

IMHO, the USF is outmoded and should be disbanded.

--Brett Glass





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