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Re: Muni Fiber and Politics
From: Måns Nilsson <mansaxel () besserwisser org>
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 16:59:12 +0200
Subject: Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Date: Sun, Aug 03, 2014 at 05:11:09AM +0200 Quoting Mark Tinka (mark.tinka () seacom mu):
On Sunday, August 03, 2014 01:31:17 AM Måns Nilsson wrote:Oh, yes, there is. Multicast? IPv6? Both CAN be done, but probably won't.I'm talking about the opportunities large bandwidth presents, non-technical issues aside. Certainly, IPv6 and Multicast have a place on a 1Gbps link into the customer's home. Unless I misunderstand what you're trying to say...
My point is that "involving active electronics on a link lease may limit the ways that link can be used" and that there is a very high probability -- guesstimated from current "unbundling" infrastructure landscape -- that there will be severe constraints in services possible to provide if you as provider aren't lighting the path yourself. The constraints multiply with every OSI layer that is included in the unbundling offer, of course. A typical Swedish example is the solution with a "communications operator" -- a separate entity that owns and operates a layer 2 environment over which several different providers can sell IP connectivity. In most, if not all, cases in Sweden, the provisioning and management systems installed simply do not have any idea of an IPv6 address. Shortsighted? Yes, but driven by bad decisions and market needs NOW. (FSVO "NOW" that is embarrasingly recent...) A PITA to upgrade? Yes, of course, and the incentives aren't there, because the communications operator is a monopoly, so if you want to sell connections, you have to use them. The limits imposed on unbundled infrastructure are at the core 100% business-related; and as long as they are present, there must be regulated access to passive infrastructure, perhaps even including things like ducting/manholes/etc. -- Måns Nilsson primary/secondary/besserwisser/machina MN-1334-RIPE +46 705 989668 I'm shaving!! I'M SHAVING!!
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- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics, (continued)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Aug 04)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Mark Tinka (Aug 13)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Aug 14)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Mark Tinka (Aug 14)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Mark Tinka (Aug 02)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Vlade Ristevski (Aug 02)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Leo Bicknell (Aug 02)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Vlade Ristevski (Aug 02)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Mark Tinka (Aug 02)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Måns Nilsson (Aug 03)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Aug 04)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Eugeniu Patrascu (Aug 05)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Owen DeLong (Aug 05)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Eugeniu Patrascu (Aug 05)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics William Herrin (Aug 05)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Eugeniu Patrascu (Aug 05)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Owen DeLong (Aug 06)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Matthew Kaufman (Aug 06)