Re: Illegal usage of AS51888 (and PI 91.220.85.0/24) from AS42989 and AS57954 (in ukraine)

[Warren Bailey <wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com>]

Abuse is abuse.. People are going to do bad things, even when you call them illegal (in some cases, as a result of 
calling them illegal). It's not illegal to be a tool, but it is illegal to break a law. In my opinikn Laws need to be 
written and passed, not thought about and argued over. If we are going to arbitrarily make our own laws, why don't we 
start at something cooler than preventing a guy announcing someone's Internet addresses? I understand the magnitude of 
these actions, but at some point we need to pay attention  to things outside of /dev/internet. Again.. I'm not saying 
these hijackers aren't pricks, I'm saying that stealing an AS number shouldn't be illegal - committing a crime with 
information gained should be (and is). It's not that I don't care, I just don't care that MUCH.

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



-------- Original message --------
From: goemon () anime net
Date: 05/06/2013 11:31 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Warren Bailey <wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com>
Cc: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists () gmail com>,Valdis Kletnieks <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu>,NANOG <nanog () nanog 
org>
Subject: Re: Illegal usage of AS51888 (and PI 91.220.85.0/24) from AS42989 and AS57954 (in ukraine)


if anyone wondered why abuse goes unchecked, wonder no longer.

-Dan

On Mon, 6 May 2013, Warren Bailey wrote:

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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists () gmail com>
> Date: 05/06/2013 9:29 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Valdis Kletnieks <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu>
> Cc: Warren Bailey <wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com>,Adam Vitkovsky <adam.vitkovsky () swan sk>,Nick 
> Hilliard <nick () foobar org>,NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
> Subject: Re: Illegal usage of AS51888 (and PI 91.220.85.0/24) from AS42989 and AS57954 (in ukraine)
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> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:23 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu<mailto:Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu>> wrote:
> On Mon, 06 May 2013 15:27:35 -0000, Warren Bailey said:
> > Illegal or undesired?
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> This sort of stuff comes in two flavors: "typo" and "intentionally done
> in furtherance of criminal activities".
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> The fact that an AS number and matching IP range are involved tends to say it's
> not a typo.
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> maybe warren's question is better stated: "Please point to relevant legal code in the jurisdiction(s) which are 
> relevant." (if you feel this is 'illegal', showing where in the relevant code(s) where this would be classified as 
> such would help)
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> -chris