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Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue
From: Jerry Dent <effinjdent () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:02:51 -0500
Let's not kid ourselves, the transit providers are just as greedy. Even the tier 2 ones (minus HE). My favorite is when they turn down your request because you have an out of band circuit in a remote pop with them. As if we're stuffing 800G of traffic down a 1G circuit that's never seen 100K of traffic on it. Or the "It would jeopardize our peering agreements with other providers" ... followed by a call from one of their sales guys the next day. On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Siegel, David <David.Siegel () level3 com>wrote:
Well, with net flow Analytics, it's not really the case that we don't have a way of evaluating the relative burdens. Every major net flow Analytics vendor is implementing some type of distance measurement capability so that each party can calculate not only how much traffic they carry for each peer, but how far. Dave -- 520.229.7627 cell On Jun 19, 2013, at 8:23 PM, "Benson Schliesser" <bensons () queuefull net> wrote:On 2013-06-19 8:46 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:That was a great argument in 1993, and was in fact largely true insystem that existed at that time. However today what you describe no longer really makes any sense.While it is technically true that the protocols favor asymmetricrouting, your theory is based on the idea that a content site exists in one location, and does not want to optimize the user experience.... A much better business arrangement would be to tie a sliding fee to theratio. Peering up to 2:1 is free. Up to 4:1 is $0.50/meg, up to 6:1 is $1.00/meg, up to 10:1 is $1.50 a meg. Eyeball network gets to recover their long haul transport costs, it's cheaper to the CDN than buying transit,Agreed that CDN, traffic steering, etc, changes the impact of routingprotocols. But I think you made my point. The sending peer (or their customer) has more control over cost. And we don't really have a good proxy for evaluating relative burdens.That's not to suggest that peering disputes are really about technicalcapabilities. Nor fairness, even...Cheers, -Benson
Current thread:
- Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue, (continued)
- Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue Blake Dunlap (Jun 19)
- Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue William Herrin (Jun 19)
- Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue Leo Bicknell (Jun 19)
- Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue Dorian Kim (Jun 19)
- Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue Wayne E Bouchard (Jun 19)
- RE: net neutrality and peering wars continue Siegel, David (Jun 19)
- Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue Benson Schliesser (Jun 19)
- Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue Leo Bicknell (Jun 19)
- Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue Benson Schliesser (Jun 19)
- Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue Siegel, David (Jun 19)
- Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue Jerry Dent (Jun 19)
- Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue Benson Schliesser (Jun 20)
- RE: net neutrality and peering wars continue Siegel, David (Jun 20)
- Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue Randy Bush (Jun 20)
- Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue Robert M. Enger (Jun 20)
- Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue Leo Bicknell (Jun 20)
- Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue Blake Dunlap (Jun 20)
- Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue Aaron C. de Bruyn (Jun 20)
- Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue Jared Mauch (Jun 20)
- Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue Jeff Kell (Jun 20)
- Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue Jon Lewis (Jun 20)