nanog mailing list archives
Re: huawei
From: Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:45:03 -0400
That is far more feasible than mass interception and forwarding of traffic, though there is (AFAIK) no indication that such a kill switch exists. I also think that if China wanted to do something nefarious a far better target would be Lenovo, which still seems to be an accepted vendor in US government circled judging from the number I've seen in DC this week and laptops have far more horsepower and storage most pieces of networking gear. On Jun 13, 2013 1:35 PM, "Mark Gallagher" <markwgallagher () gmail com> wrote:
I think one of the possibilities suggested beyond call-home or backdoors was that they might have installed a secret kill-switch to be activated against 'enemy' nodes in time of war was an cyber shock and awe campaign. mg On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com> wrote:On 06/13/2013 10:20 AM, Scott Helms wrote:Not really, no one has claimed it's impossible to hide traffic. What is true is that it's not feasible to do so at scale without it becoming obvious. Steganography is great for hiding traffic inside of legitimate traffic between two hosts but if one of my routers starts sending cay photos somewhere, no matter how cute, I'm gonna consider that suspicious. That's an absurd example (hopefully funny) but _any_ from one of my routers over time would be obvious, especially since to be effective this would have to go on much of the time and in many routers. Hiding all that isn't feasible for a really technically astute company and they're not in that category yet (IMO).It all depends on what you're trying to accomplish. Hijacking many cat photos to send your cat photo... how deep is your DPI? Remember also, the answer to the universe fits in 6 bits... Mike
Current thread:
- Re: huawei, (continued)
- Re: huawei Rich Kulawiec (Jun 13)
- Re: huawei Adrian (Jun 13)
- Re: huawei Rich Kulawiec (Jun 14)
- Re: huawei Adrian (Jun 13)
- Re: huawei Patrick W. Gilmore (Jun 13)
- Re: huawei Phil Fagan (Jun 13)
- Re: huawei Michael Thomas (Jun 13)
- Re: huawei Nick Khamis (Jun 13)
- Re: huawei Scott Helms (Jun 13)
- Re: huawei Michael Thomas (Jun 13)
- Re: huawei Mark Gallagher (Jun 13)
- Re: huawei Scott Helms (Jun 13)
- Re: huawei Warren Bailey (Jun 13)
- Message not available
- Re: huawei (ZTE too) Bryan Fields (Jun 13)
- Re: huawei (ZTE too) Christopher Morrow (Jun 13)
- Re: huawei (ZTE too) Mikael Abrahamsson (Jun 13)
- Message not available
- Re: huawei (ZTE too) Bryan Fields (Jun 13)
- Re: huawei Rich Kulawiec (Jun 13)
- Re: huawei (ZTE too) Warren Bailey (Jun 13)
- Re: huawei (ZTE too) david peahi (Jun 13)
- Re: huawei (ZTE too) Jeroen Massar (Jun 13)
- Re: huawei (ZTE too) david peahi (Jun 13)
- Re: huawei (ZTE too) Jeroen Massar (Jun 13)