Re: huawei

[Warren Bailey <wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com>]

They are a state controlled company. You think the PRC's party members dont call the shots? I've been to Beijing for 
work.. I can assure you the government has a very known presence through the private community. Often times, graduates 
of their state run colleges enter the "private" sector to help their collective needs. China is an odd place, but in my 
opinion often they are underestimated. Look at their stealth plane, that's a good starting point on their ability to 
borrow technology and implement it quickly. It's about numbers over there, not sense.


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-------- Original message --------
From: Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com>
Date: 06/13/2013 10:22 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Nick Khamis <symack () gmail com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: huawei


Not really, no one has claimed it's impossible to hide traffic.   What is
true is that it's not feasible to do so at scale without it becoming
obvious.   Steganography is great for hiding traffic inside of legitimate
traffic between two hosts but if one of my routers starts sending cay
photos somewhere, no matter how cute, I'm gonna consider that suspicious.
That's an absurd example (hopefully funny) but _any_ from one of my routers
over time would be obvious, especially since to be effective this would
have to go on much of the time and in many routers.  Hiding all that isn't
feasible for a really technically astute company and they're not in that
category yet (IMO).
On Jun 13, 2013 1:10 PM, "Nick Khamis" <symack () gmail com> wrote:

> On 6/13/13, Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com> wrote:
> > On 06/13/2013 09:35 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> > > I am assuming a not-Hauwei-only network.
> > >
> > > The idea that a router could send things through other routers without
> > > someone who is looking for it noticing is ludicrous.
> >
> > ::cough:: steganography ::cough::
> >
> > Mike
>
> Well put!
>
> N.