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Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband
From: Jean-Francois Mezei <jfmezei_nanog () vaxination ca>
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:54:57 -0500
With regards to the layer 1 vs layer 2 arguments: At the regulatory level, it isn't about what layer is provided, it is more a question to ensure that a neutral provider of last mile only sells whoelsale and provides no retail services that compete against other retailers who buy access to that fibre. (no undue preference onto itself). In Canada, we have TPIA regulations for 3rd party access to DOCSIS cable systems. This is actually done at L3. And while it works, there are a number of issues related to a cableco acting as a L3 wholesaler. (IPs assigned to end user belong to the ISP, but are provisioned by the cableco's DHCP server etc). PPPoE/DSL systems provide layer2 tunnels which shift much of the respnsability to the ISP (IP assignements etc). However, PPPoE does not allow multicast. (and telcos don't want ISPs to use compete against their own IPTV systems). Nevertheless, a number if ISPs are starting their own IPTV services over unicast delivery. So when a municipality wants to setup a modern broadband system (which raises property values and attracts businesses to the town), it needs to consider how the system will be used. I don't think it is enough to "build it and they will come" (aka: layer 1 dark fibre). You risk it being greatly underused if small ISPs can't afford to connect to it, and incumbents are in court trying to destroy the project instead of taking advantage of it. Are there examples where a muni fibre system in the USA was adopted by incumbents ?
Current thread:
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband, (continued)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Fletcher Kittredge (Feb 04)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Jean-Francois Mezei (Feb 04)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Fletcher Kittredge (Feb 04)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Scott Helms (Feb 04)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Jay Ashworth (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Scott Helms (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Jay Ashworth (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Scott Helms (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Jay Ashworth (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Scott Helms (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Jean-Francois Mezei (Feb 03)
- RE: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Frank Bulk (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Scott Helms (Feb 04)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Jean-Francois Mezei (Feb 04)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Scott Helms (Feb 04)
- RE: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Frank Bulk (Feb 09)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Leo Bicknell (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Scott Helms (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Jason Baugher (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Jay Ashworth (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Jason Baugher (Feb 03)