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Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM
From: Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com>
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 19:49:03 -0700
On 04/25/2013 07:27 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
At some level, I wonder how much the feedback loop of "providers won't deploy ipv6 because everybody says they won't deploy ipv6" has caused this self-fulfilling prophecy :/It's a definite issue. The bigger issue is the financial incentives are all in the wrong direction. Eyeball networks have an incentive not to deploy IPv6 until content providers have done so or until they have no other choice.
Yet, eyeball networks are the ones being asked to pony up all of the cost to put in place the hacks to keep v4 running so they don't get support center calls. That's a pretty asymmetric, and a potential opportunity.
On the other hand, there is The Cloud. I assume that aws and all of the other major vm farms have native v6 networks by now (?). I hooked upYou again assume facts not in evidence. Many cloud providers have done IPv6. Rackspace stands out as exemplary in this regard. Linode has done some good work in this space. AWS stands out as a complete laggard in this area.
Heh... that's why I put all kinds of question marks and hedges :) That's disappointing about aws. On the other hand, if aws lights up v6, a huge amount of content will be v6 capable in one swell-foop. Which is a different problem of death by a thousand cuts of corpro data centers, and racked up servers in no-name cages.
v6 support on linode in, oh, less than an hour for my site. Maybe part of this just evangelizing with the Cloud folks to get the word out that v6 is both supported *and* beneficial for your site? And it might give them a leg up with "legacy" web infrastructure data centers to lure them? "Oh, your corpro IT guys won't light up v6? let me show you how easy it is on $MEGACLOUD".+1 -- I encourage people to seek providers that support IPv6.
Name. and. shame. At some level, some amount of bs is probably useful to scare the suits: "OMG, VZW'S PHONES SUPPORT V6, DO WE DO THAT????". Roll your eyes, but, well, remember they're suits. Mike
Current thread:
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM, (continued)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Randy Bush (Apr 26)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM John Curran (Apr 26)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Randy Bush (Apr 26)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM John Curran (Apr 26)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Brandon Ross (Apr 25)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Michael Thomas (Apr 25)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Brandon Ross (Apr 25)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Owen DeLong (Apr 25)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Michael Thomas (Apr 25)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Owen DeLong (Apr 25)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Michael Thomas (Apr 25)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Matt Palmer (Apr 25)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM joel jaeggli (Apr 25)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Antonio Querubin (Apr 26)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM cb.list6 (Apr 26)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Owen DeLong (Apr 26)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Tore Anderson (Apr 26)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Owen DeLong (Apr 26)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Chris Adams (Apr 26)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Nick Guy (Apr 26)
- Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM Doug Barton (Apr 26)