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Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications"....
From: Mark Andrews <marka () isc org>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:08:42 +1100
In message <69ADB141-D40B-4DFB-8FBC-D0863897B78C () delong com>, Owen DeLong write s:
On Nov 27, 2012, at 19:18 , "Dave Edelman" <dedelman () iname com> wrote:I think that we are missing a significant part of this conversation.=20==20 Even if programmers never write a line of code that invokes IPv6, they =needto accommodate the effects of all the other programmers who aren't =writing aline of IPv6 code. CGN renders most application logs useless unless =theyrecord source port as well as address. For many industries, logging of transactions in a manner that allows you to track back to the =originator ofthe transaction is not optional. And yes that does translate to track =backto the ISP who (when presented with the appropriate piece of paper) =canconvert the timestamp /IP address/ port combination to the customer =who isresponsible for the account. =20That won't help. Think about it this way. A session state log entry is = roughly 512 bytes. I'm told (by several of the large residential providers) that the = average session rate per subscriber is around 33,000 connections/subscriber/day for roughly = 17Kbytes/day of log entries per day. Take a carrier like Comcast that has ~20,000,000 subscribers. That's = 660,000,000,000 or 660 Terabytes per day of log files. Now, imagine trying to keep that = data set for 7 years worth of data. That's a 660*365*7 =3D 1,686,300 Terabyte (or 1.7 = Exabyte) storage array. I'm sure EMC would love to build something like that, = but, I'm willing to bet that any economic analysis of that problem against CALEA reveals = the relatively swift conclusion that the fines cost less than the = infrastructure to preserve the logs.
The fine will be first then the court order to move all the customers to IPv6. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka () isc org
Current thread:
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration, (continued)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration mike (Nov 27)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Mark Andrews (Nov 27)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Michael Thomas (Nov 27)
- "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications".... Jeroen Massar (Nov 27)
- Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications".... Joseph Holsten (Nov 27)
- Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications".... Bryan Tong (Nov 27)
- Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications".... Jared Mauch (Nov 27)
- Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications".... Owen DeLong (Nov 27)
- RE: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications".... Dave Edelman (Nov 27)
- Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications".... Owen DeLong (Nov 27)
- Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications".... Mark Andrews (Nov 27)
- RE: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications".... Lee Howard (Nov 28)
- Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications".... Mark Andrews (Nov 28)
- Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications".... Mark Andrews (Nov 27)
- Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications".... david raistrick (Nov 27)
- Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications".... Mark Andrews (Nov 27)
- Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications".... david raistrick (Nov 27)
- Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications".... Andrew Sullivan (Nov 27)
- Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications".... Dobbins, Roland (Nov 27)
- RE: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications".... Tony Hain (Nov 28)
- Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications".... Dobbins, Roland (Nov 28)