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Re: Google/Youtube problems
From: Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick () ianai net>
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 08:27:53 -0500
On Nov 19, 2012, at 03:05 , Saku Ytti <saku () ytti fi> wrote:
On (2012-11-18 23:47 +0100), Daniel Suchy wrote:Is anyone else seeing similar problems with Google/Youtube?My advice is, host the content locally.
Sound advice, IMHO.
I'm bit curious about market position youtube has. GOOG claims youtube is making profit, but I think this is because network is considered other BUs cost and youtube rides on it for free (remember pre-youtube, how GOOG micro-optimized google front-page to save on network cost, post-youtube they rightly stopped caring and added predictive input etc.)
I do not work for Google, nor have I asked anyone in Google how they do their accounting. However, I would be rather surprised to find the vast majority of their capacity is charged to the BU using a tiny fraction of that capacity, while the BU using the lion's share gets a "free ride".
I can't see how anyone could compete against youtube, I don't believe the service is anywhere near profitable (it's maybe 10% of Internet, and I can't see revenue being 10% of Internet), if it would have to pay for the network itself. Consequently you probably can't compete with them, as you need to cover the costs from the profits. It is just so ubiquitous service, that if it does not work your eyeballs will switch to network where it does, so you will give google free capacity, which you wouldn't probably do for others web streaming shops.
First, I believe YouTube is > 10% of the Internet. Second, I see no reason why that requires anything close - not even within a couple orders of magnitude - of 10% of the Internet's revenue to be profitable. Why would you assume such a thing? -- TTFN, patrick
Current thread:
- Google/Youtube problems Daniel Suchy (Nov 18)
- Re: Google/Youtube problems Saku Ytti (Nov 19)
- Re: Google/Youtube problems Patrick W . Gilmore (Nov 19)
- Re: Google/Youtube problems Saku Ytti (Nov 19)
- Re: Google/Youtube problems Leo Bicknell (Nov 19)
- RE: Google/Youtube problems Adam Vitkovsky (Nov 19)
- RE: Google/Youtube problems Adam Vitkovsky (Nov 19)
- Re: Google/Youtube problems Saku Ytti (Nov 19)
- Re: Google/Youtube problems Michael Loftis (Nov 19)
- Re: Google/Youtube problems joel jaeggli (Nov 19)
- Re: Google/Youtube problems Joly MacFie (Nov 19)
- Re: Google/Youtube problems Patrick W . Gilmore (Nov 19)
- Re: Google/Youtube problems Saku Ytti (Nov 19)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: Google/Youtube problems Nick Olsen (Nov 19)
- Re: Google/Youtube problems Scott Whyte (Nov 19)