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Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al)


From: Keegan Holley <keegan.holley () sungard com>
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:44:19 -0400

If it's done on a box owned by the incumbent then sharing has evolved into
giving away free service to competitors.  It's different when copper pairs
into a house could be latched onto anyone's switch.  Once you start
requiring a carrier to give away capacity in it's network that's
different.  Also, diversity/redundancy becomes dodgy at this point.  Not
that the billions of dollars they are making didn't come into the
discussion, but it seems like its more complicated to share fiber access
than it was to share copper pairs.

2012/3/22 John Kreno <john.kreno () gmail com>

This sharing can be done at a layer-3 or as you say at the time slot level
or lambda level. It's no different than what is happening with the copper
already. It's not like they have to give it away for free. They just have
to offer it to other carriers at cost. This will hopefully provide more of
a competitive market. But I don't see Verizon giving into it, nor Comcast
or any other provider that has fiber. Verizon campaigned hard to have fiber
removed from the equal access legalize so like most of these other large
companies, they don't want to share their new toy with the other children.

-John


Keegan Holley <keegan.holley () sungard com> wrote:

2012/3/22 Jared Mauch <jared () puck nether net>


On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:05 AM, chris wrote:

I'm all for VZ being able to reclaim it as long as they open their
fiber
which I don't see happening unless its by force via government. At the
end
of the day there needs to be the ability to allow competitors in so of
course they shouldnt be allowed to rip out the regulated part and
replace
it with a unregulated one.



Maybe I'm missing something, but how exactly does one share fiber?  Isn't
it usually a closed loop between DWDM or Sonet nodes?  It doesn't seem
fair
to force the incumbents to start handing out lambdas and timeslots to
their
competitors on the business side.  I guess passive optical can be shared
depending on the details of the network, but that would still be much
different than sharing copper pairs.



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