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Re: uunet ends newsfeed/newsreader in US


From: Michael Sinatra <michael () rancid berkeley edu>
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 15:59:35 -0700

On 03/30/12 13:41, Henry Yen wrote:
uunet/vzb "will terminate its United States Newsreader and Newsfeed
services on March 31, 2012, with no plans to offer a replacement, and
any content/data remaining after that date will be unrecoverably deleted".

does anyone on NANOG have any thoughtful comments on this?

Only a retrospective: I was hired by the central networking group at UC Berkeley in the late 90s to run the USENET service for campus. At the time, the USENET service was still critically important for the teaching mission of the campus, as many courses (especially in EECS) had very active class newsgroups. As you can see from examples such as CS 61a ( https://groups.google.com/group/ucb.class.cs61a/about?pli=1), use of these groups peaked while I was operating the service. (The numbers are probably skewed a bit, as I don't know how much of the archives google was able to get from before the early 90s. But still, by sheer volume, the early 2000s was probably the peak of the ucb.class hierarchy.)

I was following big footsteps: Chris van den Berg preceded me, and he made UCB the #3 USENET transit peer in the world. Before that, Rob Robertson ran the service and he was the one who created the first overview database for INN and contributed the code for that.

I enjoyed running the service: It was heavily used and I enjoyed making contacts and setting up peers. Then layers 8 and 9 settled in. Commodity bandwidth became very expensive, and demand for bandwidth simultaneously exploded due to file sharing, legal or otherwise. My job became less of a matter of running a world-class service and more of a matter of "how do we throttle this thing, or just get rid of/outsource it?"--a question management would often ask. I spent a lot of time adjusting rate-limits for peers and at one point we ended up putting USENET into the scavenger class behind a packetshaper. An indignity, to be certain.

By the time of the economic collapse, usage had declined sufficiently that USENET was easy for management to put on the chopping block. This, even though bandwidth had become much cheaper. My job (thanks to my USENET tasks and systems background) had evolved into more of a general network engineering position, and I had a surplus of interesting work to do, so it wasn't a major loss for me. Still, I am glad that USENET (and NNTP in particular) is going strong elsewhere. I learned a lot from running the service, and to this day, I am still one of the more "systemy" network engineers out there. I enjoy running DNS, NTP, and other system-based network services an much as I like configuring routers. I think running USENET a while back had a lot to do with that.

michael


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