nanog mailing list archives
Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks)
From: George Herbert <george.herbert () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:25:06 -0800
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:
On Jan 31, 2012, at 5:52 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:In message <7B85F9D8-BA9E-4341-9242-5EB514895B4C () virtualized org>, David Conrad writes:I hope none of you ever get hijacked by a spammer housed at Phoenix =NAP. :) In the dim past, I had a somewhat similar situation: - A largish (national telco of a small country) ISP started announcing = address space a customer of theirs provided. Unfortunately, the address = space wasn't the ISP's customer's to provide. - When the ISP was notified by both their RIR and the organization to = which the address space was rightfully delegated, the ISP's response = was: "We have a contractual relationship with our customer to announce that = space. We have neither a contractual relationship (in this context) = with the RIR nor the RIR's customer. The RIR and/or the RIR's customer = should resolve this issue with our customer." It as an eye-opening experience. Regards, -drcAnd if I have a contract to commit murder that doesn't mean that it is right nor legal. A contract can't get you out of dealing with the law of the land and in most place in the world "aiding and abetting" is illegal. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka () isc orgNot to put a damper on things, but, is there actually any law that precludes use of integers as internet addresses contrary to the registration data contained in RIR databases? I can see how a case might be made for tortious interference, but I think it's quite nebulous and I believe a civil matter at best. IANAL, but, I actually wonder if there is any way to construe the behavior in question as criminal and if so, under what statute(s). Owen
An interesting thought experiment series: Imagine that instead of joe-random-small-ISP, this was Tier-1 ISP customer space being hijacked. Imagine that instead of Tier-1 customer, it was Tier-1 core services (www.company, etc). Imagine that instead of Tier-1 core services, it was the blocks www.apple.com/iTunes or www.google.com lived in. Imagine that instead of www.google.com, it was www.whitehouse.gov At some point, I suspect that this gets service to get it fixed RIGHT NOW. At some point, the guys informing you it's RIGHT NOW show up with badges. The question is, when is it badges? It can be construed as a denial of service attack on the addresses' rightful owners. They will respond to any major government site being hijacked. Probably to Apple or Google. Likely to a Tier-1 ISPs internal infrastructure. That they probably won't to the current situation is a matter of failure of the system to scale, not that the ethics, morality, or legality of the situation are any different now than www.whitehouse.gov going poof. IMHO. -- -george william herbert george.herbert () gmail com
Current thread:
- Fwd: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) Kelvin Williams (Jan 31)
- Re: Fwd: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) goemon (Jan 31)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) David Conrad (Jan 31)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) PC (Jan 31)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) Kelvin Williams (Jan 31)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) Mark Andrews (Jan 31)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) David Conrad (Jan 31)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) Mark Andrews (Jan 31)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) Owen DeLong (Jan 31)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) George Herbert (Jan 31)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) PC (Jan 31)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 31)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) Robert Bonomi (Jan 31)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) goemon (Jan 31)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) Jimmy Hess (Jan 31)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) Antonio Querubin (Jan 31)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) Randy Bush (Jan 31)