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Re: The day SORBS goes away ...
From: Hank Nussbacher <hank () efes iucc ac il>
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 20:33:10 +0300 (IDT)
On Sat, 7 Apr 2012, Rich Kulawiec wrote:I recently had a similar run-in with another ISP unrelated to Yahoo. It involved a phishing site on one of their customers. Countless emails to their abuse@ email went unanswered. Then one day I bumped into their VP who was trying to sell me something. I asked him about why they apppear so high on Ironport Senderbase with a huge spam pool as well as phishing sites that are not taken down.
His answer, which might mirror Yahoo's (or not), was that at a corporate level they decided to only handle issues like this via a court order. They did not think it appropriate to interfere with their customers data in any sort of way unless a court order told them to make it stop.
Clearly, this is idiotic reasoning and only when others start blocking their IP ranges and DNS servers will they ever wake up. But when the ISP is big enough, they think no one will block them and if they do it will just be small cases and nothing massive that would make them into a 2nd league ISP. This therefore becomes a cost savings area since you no longer need any abuse staff to handle your customers. You just ignore it all.
-Hank
Yahoo's "personnel" have long since demonstrated that (a) they couldn't possibly care less about the spam, phishing, and other forms of abuse that they're emanating, supporting or hosting on a systemic and chronic basis (b) they are incapable of recognizing their own users, hosts, and networks even when same are explicitly pointed out to them (c) under no circumstances will they take any prompt or effective action -- they will, however, repeatedly lie about it and/or pass on complainers' personal information to the abusers so that they can retaliate. ---rsk
Current thread:
- Re: SORBS?!, (continued)
- Re: SORBS?! Jimmy Hess (Apr 06)
- Re: SORBS?! chris (Apr 06)
- Re: SORBS?! Randy Bush (Apr 07)
- Re: SORBS?! Valdis . Kletnieks (Apr 06)
- The day SORBS goes away ... goemon (Apr 06)
- Re: The day SORBS goes away ... Suresh Ramasubramanian (Apr 06)
- Re: The day SORBS goes away ... Valdis . Kletnieks (Apr 06)
- Re: The day SORBS goes away ... Suresh Ramasubramanian (Apr 06)
- Re: The day SORBS goes away ... goemon (Apr 06)
- Re: The day SORBS goes away ... Rich Kulawiec (Apr 07)
- Re: The day SORBS goes away ... Hank Nussbacher (Apr 07)
- Re: The day SORBS goes away ... Matthew Palmer (Apr 07)
- Re: The day SORBS goes away ... Barry Shein (Apr 07)
- Re: The day SORBS goes away ... TR Shaw (Apr 07)
- Re: The day SORBS goes away ... Brian Keefer (Apr 09)
- Re: The day SORBS goes away ... Ray Van Dolson (Apr 09)
- Re: The day SORBS goes away ... Dan White (Apr 09)
- RE: The day SORBS goes away ... Nathan Eisenberg (Apr 09)
- Re: The day SORBS goes away ... Blake Dunlap (Apr 09)
- Re: The day SORBS goes away ... Randy Bush (Apr 09)
- Re: The day SORBS goes away ... Jon Lewis (Apr 09)