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Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network
From: Charles N Wyble <charles () knownelement com>
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:58:15 -0500
On 09/17/2011 06:52 PM, Randy Carpenter wrote:
I have a small ISP customer who is not multi-homed, and is using about a /21 and a half of space, and is expanding. Their upstream is refusing to give them more space, so they wanted to get their own, and give back the space to the upstream, with the possible exception of a small block for their servers, which would be very difficult to renumber. We explained this all, and the response we got from ARIN was that we needed to have a full /20 from the upstream, at which time we could easily get a /20 of new space. In order to qualify for the immediate need, we would need to show need for the entire /20, of which we would need to fully utilize (renumber into) within 30 days. That is not even remotely possible.Or, they could easily multihome and qualify at a much smaller threshold.Unfortunately, this is prohibitively expensive. They are small rural telcos who are connected to a collective state-wide fiber network. Any second provider would could an order of magnitude (or more) more than what they have, and would likely be delivered over the same fiber network anyway.
Um.... really? You can't find anyone out there who would give you an LOA? No friendly ISP? I'm getting LOA from a buddy of mine that administers a couple existing ISP networks. It's not that difficult in my opinion. I mean does it have to be a wireline upstream provider? Or can it just be any AS who is friendly? I guess it's different for me as this is a green field deployment and I expect to peer all over the United States at dozens of POPS. As opposed to being a more traditional access network provider in a particular geographic region.
The problem with this whole thing is that I have no less than 4 ISPs that are in almost the same boat.Then propose a policy change to rectify it.Noted, and planned :-)
I look forward to those discussions. I'm kind of intrigued by policy now, after starting this process. At first I was a bit irritated but now after John/Owen posted links and comments, it's a walk in the park. Just waiting on an LOA from my buddy and I should be able to get that ASN and associated /32. -- Charles N Wyble charles () knownelement com @charlesnw on twitter http://blog.knownelement.com Building alternative,global scale,secure, cost effective bit moving platform for tomorrows alternate default free zone.
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- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Charles N Wyble (Sep 17)
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- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Charles N Wyble (Sep 18)
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