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Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:27:56 -0700
On Sep 17, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Randy Carpenter wrote:
----- Original Message -----All of the speculation and comment on this thread has been something to watch, but, it's not actually all that accurate. https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four2 NRPM 4.2 provides several ways in which an ISP can qualify for space As has been mentioned in this thread, efficiently using a PA allocation from an upstream provider is one such mechanism. (4.2.2.1, 4.2.2.2). However, if you can show an immediate need for a /22 or more within the next 30 days (not particularly hard if you are building an ISP), you can qualify under 4.2.1.6 without any prior utilization. I know of a number of ISPs that have obtained their initial allocations in this manner. OwenI have a small ISP customer who is not multi-homed, and is using about a /21 and a half of space, and is expanding. Their upstream is refusing to give them more space, so they wanted to get their own, and give back the space to the upstream, with the possible exception of a small block for their servers, which would be very difficult to renumber. We explained this all, and the response we got from ARIN was that we needed to have a full /20 from the upstream, at which time we could easily get a /20 of new space. In order to qualify for the immediate need, we would need to show need for the entire /20, of which we would need to fully utilize (renumber into) within 30 days. That is not even remotely possible.
Or, they could easily multihome and qualify at a much smaller threshold.
The problem with this whole thing is that I have no less than 4 ISPs that are in almost the same boat.
Then propose a policy change to rectify it. Owen
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- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Paul Vixie (Sep 22)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Jim Duncan (Sep 22)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network John Curran (Sep 23)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Randy Bush (Sep 23)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network John Curran (Sep 23)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Owen DeLong (Sep 23)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Michael Dillon (Sep 20)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Owen DeLong (Sep 17)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Randy Carpenter (Sep 17)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network John Curran (Sep 17)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Owen DeLong (Sep 17)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Randy Carpenter (Sep 17)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Charles N Wyble (Sep 17)
- RE: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Frank Bulk (Sep 18)
- RE: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Leigh Porter (Sep 18)
- RE: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Frank Bulk (Sep 18)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Charles N Wyble (Sep 18)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Owen DeLong (Sep 19)
- RE: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Antonio Querubin (Sep 18)
- RE: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Frank Bulk (Sep 18)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Michael Sinatra (Sep 19)