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Re: Yahoo and IPv6
From: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch () muada com>
Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 19:59:55 +0200
On 14 mei 2011, at 18:47, Paul Vixie wrote:
folks who wantto run V6 only and still be "on the internet" will need proxies for a long while. folks who want to run V6 only *today* and not have any proxies *today* are sort of on their own -- the industry will not cater to market non-forces.
And clearly that situation can be kept that way for a long time by simply not serving them anything over IPv6.
But is that wat we want?Currently IPv4 is pretty good but that's not going to last once 1.5 NATs on average between any two points grows to 3.8 of them, with 1.7 starved for address/port combinations*. At that point you can technically still be 100% connected using just IPv4, but it won't be much fun anymore.
* numbers pulled out of the air by yours truly, but based on two consumers with home NAT today and with additional carrier NAT in the future.
I've been on IPv6 for a long time. When I started with IPv6, the only applications (to use the term loosely) that understood v6 were ping6 and traceroute6. These days, I think the only thing I wouldn't be able to do over IPv6 is print. It used to be that IPv6 pingtimes were 2 - 3 times worse than IPv4 pingtimes. They're pretty much the same 80% of the time now. I used to have 8 IPv4 addresses, enough for most of my computers. I have one now, with mandatory NAT. When I move later this year I may very well only have a partial IPv4 address.
The times are a-changing.
Current thread:
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6, (continued)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Cameron Byrne (May 09)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Owen DeLong (May 09)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Paul Vixie (May 14)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Marshall Eubanks (May 14)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Paul Vixie (May 14)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 William Herrin (May 14)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Robert Bonomi (May 14)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Valdis . Kletnieks (May 14)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 John Levine (May 14)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Firsthand (May 15)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Marshall Eubanks (May 14)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Cameron Byrne (May 09)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Iljitsch van Beijnum (May 14)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Jim Gettys (May 14)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Paul Vixie (May 14)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Jim Gettys (May 16)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Paul Vixie (May 16)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Mark Andrews (May 16)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 David Miller (May 16)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Owen DeLong (May 16)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Paul Vixie (May 16)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Mark Andrews (May 16)
- Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Mans Nilsson (May 17)