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RE: What's really needed is a routing slot market (was: Using IPv6 withprefixes shorter than a /64 on a LAN)
From: "Jamie Bowden" <jamie () photon com>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 09:25:01 -0500
It would help if we weren't shipping the routing equivalent of the pre DNS /etc/hosts all over the network (it's automated, but it's still the equivalent). There has to be a better way to handle routing information than what's currently being done. The old voice telephony guys built a system that built SVCs on the fly from any phone in the world to any other phone in the world; it (normally) took less than a second for it to do it between any pair of phones under the NANPA, and only slightly longer for international outside the US and Canada. There have to be things to be learned from there. Jamie -----Original Message----- From: John Curran [mailto:jcurran () istaff org] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 11:00 AM To: Mark Andrews Cc: NANOG list Subject: What's really needed is a routing slot market (was: Using IPv6 withprefixes shorter than a /64 on a LAN) On Feb 5, 2011, at 9:40 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
What's really needed is seperate the routing slot market from the address allocation market.
Bingo! In fact, having an efficient market for obtaining routing of a given prefix, combined with IPv6 vast identifier space, could actually satisfy the primary goals that we hold for a long-term scalable address architecture, and enable doing it in a highly distributed, automatable fashion: Aggregation would be encouraged, since use of non-aggregatable address space would entail addition costs. These costs might be seen as minimal for some organizations that desire addressing autonomy, but others might decide treating their address space portable and routable results in higher cost than is desired. Decisions about changing prefixes with ISPs can be made based on a rational tradeoff of costs, rather than in a thicket of ISP and registry policies. Conservation would actually be greatly improved, since address space would only be sought after because of the need for additional unique identifiers, rather than obtaining an address block of a given size to warrant implied routability. In light of IPv6's vast address space, it actually would be possible to provide minimally-sized but assured unique prefixes automatically via nearly any mechanism (i.e. let your local user or trade association be a registry if they want) With a significantly reduced policy framework, Registration could be fully automated, with issuance being as simple as assurance the right level of verification of requester identity (You might even get rid of this, if you can assure that ISPs obtain clear identity of clients before serving them but that would preclude any form of reputation systems based on IP address prefix such as we have in use today...) Just think: the savings in storage costs alone (from the reduction in address policy-related email on all our mailing lists) could probably fund the system. :-) Oh well, one project at a time... /John
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- What's really needed is a routing slot market (was: Using IPv6 with prefixes shorter than a /64 on a LAN), (continued)
- What's really needed is a routing slot market (was: Using IPv6 with prefixes shorter than a /64 on a LAN) John Curran (Feb 06)
- Re: What's really needed is a routing slot market Joel Jaeggli (Feb 06)
- Re: What's really needed is a routing slot market John Curran (Feb 06)
- Re: What's really needed is a routing slot market Joel Jaeggli (Feb 06)
- Re: What's really needed is a routing slot market Jimmy Hess (Feb 06)
- Re: What's really needed is a routing slot market William Herrin (Feb 06)
- Re: What's really needed is a routing slot market John Levine (Feb 06)
- Re: What's really needed is a routing slot market Dorn Hetzel (Feb 06)
- Re: What's really needed is a routing slot market Jack Bates (Feb 06)
- Re: What's really needed is a routing slot market Eliot Lear (Feb 08)
- RE: What's really needed is a routing slot market (was: Using IPv6 withprefixes shorter than a /64 on a LAN) Jamie Bowden (Feb 07)
- Re: What's really needed is a routing slot market (was: Using IPv6 withprefixes shorter than a /64 on a LAN) William Herrin (Feb 07)
- Re: What's really needed is a routing slot market Jack Bates (Feb 07)
- Re: What's really needed is a routing slot market (was: Using IPv6 withprefixes shorter than a /64 on a LAN) Owen DeLong (Feb 07)
- Re: What's really needed is a routing slot market (was: Using IPv6 withprefixes shorter than a /64 on a LAN) Matthew Petach (Feb 07)
- Re: What's really needed is a routing slot market (was: Using IPv6 withprefixes shorter than a /64 on a LAN) Owen DeLong (Feb 07)
- Re: What's really needed is a routing slot market (was: Using IPv6 withprefixes shorter than a /64 on a LAN) cja () daydream com (Feb 07)
- RE: What's really needed is a routing slot market (was: Using IPv6 withprefixes shorter than a /64 on a LAN) Koch, Andrew (Feb 07)
- Re: What's really needed is a routing slot market (was: Using IPv6 withprefixes shorter than a /64 on a LAN) Matthew Petach (Feb 08)
- Re: What's really needed is a routing slot market Neil Harris (Feb 08)
- Re: What's really needed is a routing slot market Paul Timmins (Feb 08)