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Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...
From: Mark Andrews <marka () isc org>
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:55:58 +1100
In message <C02476CE-0544-430E-BB70-B752406AD3A8 () delong com>, Owen DeLong write s:
On Feb 17, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:=20 In message <1DBDCA5F-16EC-428D-BC46-3BD59A6F4CDB () delong com>, Owen =DeLong writes:=20 You can reflash CPE devices to support this that you can't reflash to support IPv6 as there is no space in the flash for the extra code. This should be minimal. A extra PPP/DHCP option and a check box to enable (default) / disable setting it.=20 Reflashing most CPE amounts to forklifting. The difference between having them bring their CPE in to be reflashed or rolling a truck to do same vs. replacing the CPE will, in most cases, actually render replacing the CPE cheaper.=20 It depends on the CPE device. Lots of CPE devices can be re-flashed in place. It just requires the will to make the images available. =20Who do you think is going to do this reflashing? If you think that = Grandma is going to download an image and reflash her linksys, you're at least slightly divorced from reality.
I think grandma is quite capable of doing it. She just needs to be informed that it needs to be done. Most people that are scared of doing it themselves have someone that they can call on to do it for them. It also doesn't have to be 100%.
If you think she's going to do it and not have about a 10% brick rate (10% of devices going from router to brick) as a result, then, you're optimistic to say the least.
Reflashing with manufacture supplied images doesn't have a 10% brick rate.
It can be deployed incrementally. =20So can replacing the CPE, but, neither is a particularly attractive alternative for many providers.=20 And further indecision is going to make this worse not better. =20On this we agree... Which is why we should decide to move to IPv6 and get on with it instead of continuing to pursue rat-holes like 240/4.
240/4 is actually an enabler for IPv6. It allows the operator to give the customer a stable IPv4 address which can be used for stable IPv6 addresses via 6rd. Different parts upgrade at different times and we need to de-couple all those upgrades if we can. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka () isc org
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- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer..., (continued)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Jack Bates (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Jeffrey Lyon (Feb 17)
- RE: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... George Bonser (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Owen DeLong (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Mark Andrews (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Owen DeLong (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Mark Andrews (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Owen DeLong (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Mark Andrews (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Owen DeLong (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Mark Andrews (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Steve Meuse (Feb 17)
- RE: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Frank Bulk (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Mark Andrews (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Owen DeLong (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Robert E. Seastrom (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... John Curran (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Owen DeLong (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Iljitsch van Beijnum (Feb 18)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Patrick W. Gilmore (Feb 18)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Iljitsch van Beijnum (Feb 18)