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Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database)
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 18:16:07 -0800
On Feb 1, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Martin Millnert wrote:
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Carlos M. Martinez <carlosm3011 () gmail com> wrote:Although I support Rpki as a technology, there are legitimate concerns that it could be abused. I now believe that Rpki needs work in this area at IETF level so the concerns are adressed. I imagine some form of secret sharing among different parties or sme form of key escrow. I am sure that it is not an easy problem, but maybe some progress can be made in this direction.Right. To preserve the integrity of the system it is rather necessary that multiple parties must agree to do some changes to it. This is in many ways of course a very hard thing to do, but there are a lot of good people out there with a much better understanding of cryptography and real information security than I, who definitely should look into this. Unless there already is a problem statement covering this problem, perhaps we should make one. Perhaps it is impossible to combine an easily managed system with a totally secure and robust routing infrastructure. At any rate, I consider censorship a failure of information routing. Any secure and robust routing infrastructure will not invite more censorship. Regards, Martin
Multiple parties alone, however is not sufficient. It needs to be multiple parties that are unlikely to be unduly influenced by the same group of governments or alliance of governments under any possible circumstance. The existing RIRs may or may not be an adequate way to spread this out. Certainly there is risk in the fact that IANA is in the US and subject by itself to US government whims. The fact that IANA and ARIN are both in the US is of particular concern because it means even combined there is no check and balance between them, either ad both can be usurped by the same power. Owen
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- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database), (continued)
- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database) Martin Millnert (Feb 01)
- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database) Benson Schliesser (Feb 01)
- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database) Arturo Servin (Feb 01)
- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database) Benson Schliesser (Feb 01)
- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database) Arturo Servin (Feb 01)
- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database) Michael Hallgren (Feb 01)
- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database) Randy Bush (Feb 01)
- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database) Michael Hallgren (Feb 01)
- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database) Randy Bush (Feb 01)
- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database) Randy Bush (Feb 01)
- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database) Carlos M. Martinez (Feb 01)
- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database) Martin Millnert (Feb 01)
- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database) Owen DeLong (Feb 01)
- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database) Christopher Morrow (Feb 01)
- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database) Dongting Yu (Feb 01)
- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database) Benson Schliesser (Feb 01)
- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database) Owen DeLong (Feb 01)
- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database) Christopher Morrow (Feb 01)
- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database) Owen DeLong (Feb 01)
- Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level 3's IRR Database) Michael Hallgren (Feb 01)