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Re: Top-posting
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 22:23:24 -0700
I sincerely On Apr 11, 2011, at 5:12 PM, bmanning () vacation karoshi com wrote:
interleaved posting is considered harmful.
Disagree. Owen
/bill On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 08:05:51PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote:----- Original Message -----From: "Daniel Staal" <DStaal () usa net>--As of April 11, 2011 3:11:15 PM -0400, Jay Ashworth is alleged to have said:Nope; I really said it. :-)Standard threaded (IE: not top-posted) replies have been the standard for technical mailing lists on the net since I first joined one. In 1983.Footnote: Maybe that was more Usenet, that early. :-)Anyone who has a problem with it can, in short, go bugger off. Really.--As for the rest, it is mine. I've found my mail has fallen into three basic categories over time: 1) Mailing list, technical or otherwise. 2) Personal discussions. 3) 'Official' work email, of one form or another. Of the three, #1 almost always is either bottom posted, or fully intermixed. #2 I often introduce people to the idea, but once they get it they like it. In both of these it is more important what is replying to what, and what the *current state* of the conversation is. Either one I can rely on the other participants to have the history (or at least have access to it). Top-posting in either context is non-helpful.Well put.#3, is always top-posted, and I've grown to like that in that context. The most current post serves as a 'this is where we are right now, and what needs to be done', while the rest tends to preserve the *entire* history, including any parts I was not a part of initially. (For instance: A user sends an email to their boss, who emails the helpdesk, who emails back for clarification, and then forwards on that reply to me. At that point it's often nice to know what the original issue was, or to be able to reach the user directly instead of through several layers of intermediary.)I sorely hate to admit it, but you're right. I tried doing traditional quoting on emails in my last position (as IT director in a call center), and everyone else's heads came off and rolled around on the floor; my boss, the controller, actually *asked me to stop*.It has different strengths and weaknesses, and can be useful in it's place. Mailing lists are not top-posting's place. ;)We clearly agree, here. Hopefully, we've clarified the reasons why, for anyone who was on the fence.(As for HTML email... I've yet to meet an actual human who routinely used HTML-only emails. They are a sure sign of a marketing department's involvement.)I have. No, not necessarily. Cheers, -- jra
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- Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? ) gord (Apr 12)
- Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: AnySuggestions as to anAlternative? ) Michael Painter (Apr 12)
- Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? ) D'Arcy J.M. Cain (Apr 12)
- Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? ) William Herrin (Apr 12)
- Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? ) JC Dill (Apr 12)
- Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? ) Valdis . Kletnieks (Apr 12)
- Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? ) Jay Ashworth (Apr 11)
- Re: Top-posting Daniel Staal (Apr 11)
- Re: Top-posting Jay Ashworth (Apr 11)
- Re: Top-posting bmanning (Apr 11)
- Re: Top-posting Owen DeLong (Apr 11)
- Re: Top-posting Richard Golodner (Apr 11)
- Re: Top-posting Bryan Fields (Apr 11)
- Re: Top-posting Bret Palsson (Apr 11)
- Re: Top-posting Valdis . Kletnieks (Apr 11)
- Re: Top-posting Owen DeLong (Apr 11)
- Re: Top-posting Dobbins, Roland (Apr 11)
- Re: Top-posting Paul Ferguson (Apr 11)
- Re: Top-posting Michael DeMan (Apr 11)
- Re: Top-posting Arnold Nipper (Apr 12)