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Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth
From: Robert Bonomi <bonomi () mail r-bonomi com>
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:41:16 -0500 (CDT)
From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi.com () nanog org Sat Sep 25 17:00:42 2010 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 00:01:38 +0200 From: Jeroen Massar <jeroen () unfix org> To: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu Subject: Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth Cc: NANOG <nanog () merit edu> On 2010-09-25 23:53, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:43:25 BST, Matthew Walster said:Was anything ever standardised in that field? I imagine with much of P2P traffic being (how shall I put this...) less than legal, it's of questionable legality and the ISPs would not want to be held liable for the content cached there?The ISP is off the hook on that one. 17 USC 512(2) specifically carves out an ISP safe-harbor for data that's only cached on an ISP's servers due to an end user's request. IANAL, so have somebody you pay for legal advice read 17 USC 512(2) and tell you what they think.So it that is true, if you define "news server" as a "cache", even though you have to buy several terabytes, make that several petabytes, to "be able to "cache" this data one along with all the network environment to support getting data out of this "cache", the ISP is completely in the clear even though that "cache" is the sole single point where one can retrieve that "cached" data from even years after the data was originally put on the network, the original is gone and that "cache" works without anything being attached to it ? :)
There is existant _recent case law, specifically with regard to operating a newsserver, that holds otherwise. Of course the server operator was blatently _advertizing_ the copyright-infringing (and more) nature of their content. Several of the major ISPs who recently discontinued providing USENET did so as a direct result of the above-mentioned case -- attorney-generals were 'making noises' -- and the ISP chose not to risk a confrontation.
Current thread:
- RE: Online games stealing your bandwidth, (continued)
- RE: Online games stealing your bandwidth Nathan Eisenberg (Sep 28)
- Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth Jack Bates (Sep 28)
- RE: Online games stealing your bandwidth Warren Bailey (Sep 28)
- Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth Jon Lewis (Sep 25)
- Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth Harry Strongburg (Sep 25)
- Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth Mark Smith (Sep 28)
- Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth Harry Strongburg (Sep 25)
- Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth khatfield (Sep 25)
- Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth Harry Strongburg (Sep 25)
- Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth khatfield (Sep 25)
- Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth Jeff Kell (Sep 25)
- Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth Robert Bonomi (Sep 25)
- Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 26)
- Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth Brandon Butterworth (Sep 27)
- Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 27)
- Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth Brandon Butterworth (Sep 27)
- Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth Leigh Porter (Sep 27)
- Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth Jack Bates (Sep 27)