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Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid,
From: William Herrin <bill () herrin us>
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:59:44 -0400
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Tony Varriale <tvarriale () comcast net> wrote:
Of course the high level of oversub is an issue....We'll disagree then. Oversub makes access affordable.
Sure, at 10:1. At 100:1, oversub makes the service perform like crap. With QOS, it still performs like crap. The difference is that the popular stuff is modestly less crappy while all the not-as-popular stuff goes from crappy to non-functional. In my career I've encountered many QOS implementations. Only one of them did more good than harm: a college customer of mine had a T3's worth of demand but was only willing to pay for a pair of T1s. In other words, the *customer* intentionally chose to operate with a badly saturated pipe. QOS targetted only at peer to peer brought the rest of the uses back to a more or less tolerable level of performance. I note that I lost the customer the next year anyway. Tolerable != pleasant. They were unhappy with the service, even if it was their own fault. I might be more sympathetic to your viewpoint if "pick your oversub level" was part of the signup process, but it isn't. You hide that decision where your customers can't even find out what decision you made. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William D. Herrin ................ herrin () dirtside com bill () herrin us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
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- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 16)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, William Herrin (Sep 16)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Tony Varriale (Sep 18)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Joe Greco (Sep 18)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Tony Varriale (Sep 18)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Michael Painter (Sep 18)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Joe Greco (Sep 20)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, JC Dill (Sep 20)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Owen DeLong (Sep 20)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Joe Greco (Sep 20)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, William Herrin (Sep 20)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Owen DeLong (Sep 20)
- RE: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Justin Horstman (Sep 20)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, William Herrin (Sep 20)
- RE: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Nathan Eisenberg (Sep 20)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Joel Jaeggli (Sep 20)
- RE: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, George Bonser (Sep 20)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Matthew Palmer (Sep 20)
- RE: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, George Bonser (Sep 21)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Joe Greco (Sep 21)
- Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Matthew Palmer (Sep 21)